Poll: which character would you miss if they were to remove it

Pick a character you will miss the most provided they are removing that character

Plus some characters like Lelith or Urien are staying because they already have models

Vect won't be going so he probably shouldn't be up here. (If he goes he'll probably get a LoW)

Also, Drazhar has a model.

I'd be extremely ticked at GW if they removed Duke or Malys since they both have tons of fluff.

Even the new "Path of Archon" book has Malys in there. I hope they think twice.

I think they'll do a Duke/Vect/Malys kit. Or atleast a Duke/Malys

I'd run Duchess Sliscus in every list I ever played if they did that

I know he's utter rubbish at the moment, but I really do think Decapitator in one of our most interesting characters, especially lore-wise, and I always loved fielding him in the old Codex, so I would miss him if he went.
Also a shot out to Drazhar, the best character in my opinion. Vect is lovely, but Drazhar is just.......Drazhar, you know?

I honestly couldn;t care much about the Duke, Baron or Lady, but I notice you left Rakarth out of the poll.......

@Squidmaster wrote:

I know he's utter rubbish at the moment, but I really do think Decapitator in one of our most interesting characters, especially lore-wise, and I always loved fielding him in the old Codex, so I would miss him if he went.
Also a shot out to Drazhar, the best character in my opinion. Vect is lovely, but Drazhar is just.......Drazhar, you know?

I honestly couldn;t care much about the Duke, Baron or Lady, but I notice you left Rakarth out of the poll.......

Because Rakarth and Lelith aren't going (I assume that's it.)

Granted I'm 150% sure Vect won't go as well as Drazhar. (Drazhar has a model)

I'm not too bothered about any of them except for Drazhar. As an (ex) Phoenix Lord he's a warrior of great importance and seeks battle.

I would like Baron to stay unless they just let Archons/Succubi take skyboards, in which case he'll be redundant as we'll have access to skyboard HQ already. If he stays he should be limited to joining Hellions. He shouldn't be taken just so people can exploit the hit & run and stealth rules, he should be taken to lead his band of upstarts through the skies.

Malys was never used much anyway and can be easily represented by an Archon with an anti-psyker relic.

Sliscus doesn't need to stay because they'll hopefully fix the combat drugs table (i.e change the useless 1 result) so he won't be vital to avoiding your drugs being useless. Other than that rule he's just a slightly different Archon so isn't needed for the same reason as Malys.

I would like Keradruakh to stay as he's a unique long-standing character. Hopefully he'll stay and get similar rules to Callidus Assassins.

I imagine Vect will be a lord of war. I wouldn't mind him going though because I find it hard to imagine him having the spare time to go raiding in anything less than a massive apocalypse battle or a battle in Commorragh.


People shouldn't worry about characters like Malys and Sliscus not having their own rules any more. The fluff is still there, you just have to make them using the Archon rules and the most fitting wargear. Not having rules doesn't remove them from the fluff.

@Anggul wrote:

People shouldn't worry about characters like Malys and Sliscus not having their own rules any more. The fluff is still there, you just have to make them using the Archon rules and the most fitting wargear. Not having rules doesn't remove them from the fluff.

I'll be honest and say that I rarely, if ever, take a special character for fluff reasons. They are in the army because the bring something to my list that I cannot otherwise bring. If they are removed and we do not gain the ability to replicate most of their unique traits via relics etc then the codex will be worse than it is currently.

@Count Adhemar wrote:

@Anggul wrote:

People shouldn't worry about characters like Malys and Sliscus not having their own rules any more. The fluff is still there, you just have to make them using the Archon rules and the most fitting wargear. Not having rules doesn't remove them from the fluff.

I'll be honest and say that I rarely, if ever, take a special character for fluff reasons. They are in the army because the bring something to my list that I cannot otherwise bring. If they are removed and we do not gain the ability to replicate most of their unique traits via relics etc then the codex will be worse than it is currently.

It is my opinion that you should never have to take a special character for a certain type of army. You should only be encouraged to take certain characters for fluff purposes, they shouldn't be strictly superior to the 'generic' choices.

I agree, I'm hoping they put a couple of the special rules into the relics. The Baron's stealth-generator and the crystal heart for example. I want to be able to make my own customisable leader with more than just basic wargear or counts-as special characters. I want it to be like Vampires in Fantasy where you have a range of various special rules you can buy them to make them different and unique.

@Lord_Alino wrote:

@Squidmaster wrote:

I know he's utter rubbish at the moment, but I really do think Decapitator in one of our most interesting characters, especially lore-wise, and I always loved fielding him in the old Codex, so I would miss him if he went.
Also a shot out to Drazhar, the best character in my opinion. Vect is lovely, but Drazhar is just.......Drazhar, you know?

I honestly couldn;t care much about the Duke, Baron or Lady, but I notice you left Rakarth out of the poll.......

Because Rakarth and Lelith aren't going (I assume that's it.)

Granted I'm 150% sure Vect won't go as well as Drazhar. (Drazhar has a model)

Look what happened to Kruellagh the Vile, she had a model and poof gone. Although i want none of the characters to leave as it creates diversity in a codex.

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Look what happened to Kruellagh the Vile, she had a model and poof gone

That was, arguably, worst GW model ever. At least in the list of top contenders.

@Azdrubael wrote:

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Look what happened to Kruellagh the Vile, she had a model and poof gone

That was, arguably, worst GW model ever. At least in the list of top contenders.

Bobo the Clown would like a word with you.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21338&stc=1&d=1372675859

On topic, I agree that special characters shouldn't be necessary to unlock certain playstyles, but depressingly sometimes they are used that way. We'll almost certainly be losing the Hellions becoming troops from Baron (which is what I used him for) and likely wracks moving to troops from a haemy as well... I wouldn't be surprised if they made them troops as blanket choices, anyway.

@Panic_Puppet wrote:

@Azdrubael wrote:

Quote :

Look what happened to Kruellagh the Vile, she had a model and poof gone

That was, arguably, worst GW model ever. At least in the list of top contenders.

Bobo the Clown would like a word with you.
http://www.coolminiornot.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=21338&stc=1&d=1372675859

On topic, I agree that special characters shouldn't be necessary to unlock certain playstyles, but depressingly sometimes they are used that way. We'll almost certainly be losing the Hellions becoming troops from Baron (which is what I used him for) and likely wracks moving to troops from a haemy as well... I wouldn't be surprised if they made them troops as blanket choices, anyway.

Is that... SKELETOR'S COUSIN?!?!

Anyways, the one I see getting removed first is Baron, and then the Decapitator.

I would miss all of them

@Anggul wrote:

It is my opinion that you should never have to take a special character for a certain type of army. You should only be encouraged to take certain characters for fluff purposes, they shouldn't be strictly superior to the 'generic' choices.

I don't know about this, I think some of the special characters are a rare example of GW writing the fluff and then coming up with rules that actually do it justice. It's happened so many times that I've read the fluff for a unit, thought they should be deadly, then read the rules and realised they aren't. Characters like Eldrad, Abaddon, Ghazghkull, Eldrad an all the Phoenix Lords are as powerful as it's implied they should be, and I like what they bring to the game. But to each their own

@Mr Believer wrote:

@Anggul wrote:

It is my opinion that you should never have to take a special character for a certain type of army. You should only be encouraged to take certain characters for fluff purposes, they shouldn't be strictly superior to the 'generic' choices.

I don't know about this, I think some of the special characters are a rare example of GW writing the fluff and then coming up with rules that actually do it justice. It's happened so many times that I've read the fluff for a unit, thought they should be deadly, then read the rules and realised they aren't. Characters like Eldrad, Abaddon, Ghazghkull, Eldrad an all the Phoenix Lords are as powerful as it's implied they should be, and I like what they bring to the game. But to each their own

Agree except for the Phoenix Lords. Apparently they're only as skilled and fast as an Archon, and half of them don't even know how to dodge. They should have +2 to their WS, BS, and I, maybe just +1 attack, and they should all have the 4++, not just some of them. That would really bring them up to their fluff. Also the Maugetar scythe and Shining Blade should be AP2. They should be real monsters of war.

For their point cost, I'd agree. Massively overpriced for what they are.

@Count Adhemar wrote:

For their point cost, I'd agree. Massively overpriced for what they are.

Well even if they were priced well for what they were I would gladly increase their points cost if it mean their rules matched their fluff better.

@Anggul wrote:

@Count Adhemar wrote:

For their point cost, I'd agree. Massively overpriced for what they are.

Well even if they were priced well for what they were I would gladly increase their points cost if it mean their rules matched their fluff better.

I certainly wouldn't pay more than their current points value, even with the improvements you suggest.

@Count Adhemar wrote:

@Anggul wrote:

@Count Adhemar wrote:

For their point cost, I'd agree. Massively overpriced for what they are.

Well even if they were priced well for what they were I would gladly increase their points cost if it mean their rules matched their fluff better.

I certainly wouldn't pay more than their current points value, even with the improvements you suggest.

No, but I'm saying if they were priced appropriately for what they are now.

Eternal Warrior is pretty rare though, and they all have it. That's probably a big part of their points cost - look at Drazhar. GW does seem to tax you for that one special rule... Differing statlines would be nice I suppose, like the combat ones having higher initiative and weapon skill whilst the shooting ones have higher ballistic skill. It does seem like a missed opportunity not to let your choice of lord shape your list a little more.

To get back on track, I'd most miss the Baron. Hellions as troops, that's fun. Not even been able to use them with Objective Secured yet. I could have done, but I wanted to to do something else... what's it called... Oh yeah, win. I wanted to win

I think, I would miss Vect the most. Build him from the chaos sorcerer.
He is costly, yes, but most times, he is worth it for me.

so hard to choose between them all, lots of great characters.

Vect and Drazhar for me, as am old school and i never use the newer ones anyway (like iv used each of the new from the last dex characters maybe once or twice each but as i like to be different i bearly used them after those few plays, i just perfer the orginal characters lol).