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PostSubject: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeWed May 07 2014, 20:01

Trying to get some critiques. None of my friends play DE and rarely have good advice so I wanted to run it by other players who actually have knowledge of the army.

I'm trying to run it as a rather versatile list. The Wyches will hopefully be there for tank popping, and objective grabbing. Kabalites will most likely be used for holding objectives and infantry slaughter. The Razorwing is there to draw some fire (Since not many people like leaving a flyer to do as it wishes) and take out as many models as it can. Incubi will be for IC killing with one of the haemonculi. Chronos will most likely be there just for the extra pain tokens and drawing some fire away from the squishier units. Venoms and Raiders will get their squads to the destination then proceed to take out the scarier threats that they can handle. Obviously my course of action heavily depends on my enemies list and formation but that's the general idea. Thank you.

+++ 1850pt Dark Eldar 6th Ed (2010) Roster (Primary Detachment)) +++

      * Haemonculus (65pts) Paired with Incubi
Archangel of Pain,
              
     X2 Haemonculus (50pts) Paired with Wyches
           
    * Incubi (153pts)
       * 4x Incubi
         
       * Venom
          Splinter Cannon


   X2 Kabalite Trueborn (173pts)
           4x Trueborn  
           4x Blaster
       * Venom
          Splinter Cannon

     X2 Kabalite Warriors (180pts)
       
       * 10x Kabalite Warrior
           9x Splinter Rifle
           Splinter Cannon
       * Raider (90pts)
           Dark Lance, Flickerfield , Splinter Racks


      3x  Wyches (195pts)
       * Raider
           Dark Lance, Enhanced Aethersails , Flickerfield
       * 9x Wyches  
           9x Haywire grenades, 9x Plasma Grenades,


   * Cronos Parasite Engine (110pts)
       Spirit Probe, Spirit Syphon, Spirit Vortex


   * Razorwing Fighter (155pts)
       Dark Lances (x2), X4 Monoscythe missile, Splinter Cannon

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeThu May 08 2014, 08:02

Look in to this thread before posting

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeThu May 08 2014, 09:28

Hi,

Before people start posting critiques of your list it would be really handy to elaborate a bit on how you intend to play it. For example I notice you have a webway portal, what units are you planning on holding in reserve etc?

Although one thing I would note straight off is that I wouldn't take the dark lance in the kabalites, I would take the splinter cannon, that way you are getting the maximum amount of AI firepower. If you take the dark lance then you have AT and AI shooting in the same unit and are forced to choose which you want to use (admittedly the dark lance should kill an infantry model 2 out of every 3 shots but it is still a bit of a waste).
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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 06:31

I have edited it so that it is hopefully in a better format, and with better details. I apologize I am new to the forum and am still learning the rules around here. I just need some real advice from other DE players. I have never actually met anyone else who plays my army and never gotten proper advice in the past 2 years. I've done the best I can with what knowledge I had at my disposal. Thank you all so much.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 08:04

I edited your list a bit more. We can't show individual pointcosts of things here. Only unit prises.

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Way too many upgrades for my taste. Compare to my 1850 list that include 5 Venom, 3 Ravager, 3x6 bikes, 2 warwalkkers, Warp spiders and then some. De can't handle being fired at so best way is to make every shoot overkill. As a rule of thumb every upgrade is not points spend on another unit or model.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 15:26

Thank you. Once again, sorry still learning the rules of the forum. I'll try to keep it cleaner next time. I see your point I mean I definitely would like to fit another Venom on there. Where would you suggest cutting some points? I know I probably don't need the Chronos, but I have always had a love for the model and idea of it.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 15:45

Why the missile Upgrades for the razorwing? And the nightfields on the venoms?
They would give you 40pts to spend otherwise.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 16:00

The night shields are because I play against a lot of Tau so I have gotten so used to putting them on everything out of shear habit. Missiles I just added but that is a valid point. I cut out a few of the uprgrades so that I could throw in another squad of Trueborn with a venom.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 16:23

I might have another Suggestion: You do have a lot of AV weapons, so why not change to one or two dissies?
Maybe on the raiders. They are great against heavy infantry. Could be nice against Tau-Battlesuits.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 16:26

I'm going to hold off on that one just because of the shear amount of vehicles my usual opponents tend to field. But I will keep that in mind for tournaments and the like.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 16:30

I don't know about tournaments, since I just play for fun, with my friends. But there are not much vehicles here.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 18:06

Nightshield are good Against tau. You could drop few wyches, 2 haemy, 1 blasterborn. Cronos would serve you better as talos.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 19:14

I like night shields on anything that can have them, the range reduction (often unexpected or forgotten by your opponent) can be really disruptive to enemy fire planning
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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 20:04

True I Could drop the third Haemy to clear up a few points, along with 1 blasterborn from each squad. Does anyone think I should have uprgrades on the 2 Haemies? If so any solid suggestions. I'm thinking one would end up with the wyches, and the other with the Incubi. Also are there any major game threatening flaws that anyone sees other than a few minor tweaks. I understand that with DE a minor tweak can be game changing, but I mean is there anything that just screams stupid or terribad?

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 20:10

Casual gaming no. In tournament you probably would get eaten alive Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeFri May 09 2014, 20:20

My old tourny list used to be almost entirely assault based. Sadly since overwatch is a thing I've been trying to steer away from relying on assault.

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PostSubject: Re: My All Comers List (1850)   My All Comers List (1850) I_icon_minitimeSat May 10 2014, 00:40

Do you have any tournament list ideas that don't involve spamming? I'm not saying that to be rude mind you. It's just every tournament list I tend to see or have recommended to me tends to just spam one type of model. And I really don't want to be that guy.

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