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lexx di
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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 04 2014, 21:20

now DE have same buff from Malys's crystal heart
1) now we can ignore blessing....invisibility and so on.....
2)  new faq don't say anything about its....
3) raw codex "Lady Malys is completely immune to effect's of psychic powers, as any unit she joins"
malys + E reaper's = anti invis??
thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 01:53

Lilith was fantastic in v2 of out first codex. She is ok now but needs furious charge or psyker support to be really good.

Draz is also excellent as long as you avoid good ++ saves in high volumes. He blends infantry very well but his main issue (like most of the PL) is that for his price you can get a full unit of his aspect warriors for the same cost who will likely survive longer and deal more damage

Vect is exceptionally good and while the lack of AP2 hurts, preferred enemy is a boss when combined with trueborn and overkill with incubi.

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 04:29

The Legion of the Damned dataslate gives Lelith poison in their scenario. That's all she needs, imo. Able to wound anything without an AV.

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 06:32

@lexx di wrote:
now DE have same buff from Malys's crystal heart
1) now we can ignore blessing....invisibility and so on.....
2)  new faq don't say anything about its....
3) raw codex "Lady Malys is completely immune to effect's of psychic powers, as any unit she joins"
malys + E reaper's = anti invis??
thoughts?

She can`t prevent enemy from casting blessings. ONLY her squad will be immmune to psychic powers (even your oun farseer can`t buff her) wich is targeted on them.
Probably in new dex she will get fix about that (i beleive she will stay in codex, cuz she sucks, while Duke and Baron can suddenly dissapear  Evil or Very Mad )

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 11:29

@Devilogical wrote:
Probably in new dex she will get fix about that (i beleive she will stay in codex, cuz she sucks, while Duke and Baron can suddenly dissapear  Evil or Very Mad )

No, I don't think Baron and Duke will be removed - we'll just see their costs double and their special rules vanish.

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 12:28

When you got a hammer, you declare all problems to nails?

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 05 2014, 13:19

@lexx di wrote:
now DE have same buff from Malys's crystal heart
1) now we can ignore blessing....invisibility and so on.....
2)  new faq don't say anything about its....
3) raw codex "Lady Malys is completely immune to effect's of psychic powers, as any unit she joins"
malys + E reaper's = anti invis??
thoughts?

I think there is a RAW interpretation here for saying that Malys squad wouldn't have to snapfire at an invisible squad. Snapfiring at a squad is afterall the 'effect' of a psychic power.

Going against this is 'immunity' which suggests more of a resistance to something - a passive ability as opposed to an active one.

You could probably argue it either way, but you won't make many friends!

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 13:29

Its not an effect - its a blessing whose effect targets the squad

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 17:40

@Massaen wrote:
Its not an effect - its a blessing whose effect targets the squad

Blessing = a type of psychic power, no?

So literally just substituting this phrase in your exact post gives us:

"Its not an effect - its a [type of psychic power] whose effect targets the squad."

This wording looks very close to the wording of her rule:

"Lady Malys is immune to the effects of psychic powers"

I would never argue this in a game as I'm not a RAW player (generally).  Your objection seems a bit self-defeating though.

Did they have different sorts of psychic powers in 5th (struggling to remember): i.e in the rulebook was there a section for 'blessings'/'maledictions' etc.?  If there was then it seems odd that this rule wouldn't have specified.

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 17:50

@Starkadder wrote:
Did they have different sorts of psychic powers in 5th (struggling to remember): i.e in the rulebook was there a section for 'blessings'/'maledictions' etc.?  If there was then it seems odd that this rule wouldn't have specified.

In 5th, I think the only type of psychic power with any special rules was Psychic Shooting Attacks.
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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 18:05

@The Shredder wrote:
@Starkadder wrote:
Did they have different sorts of psychic powers in 5th (struggling to remember): i.e in the rulebook was there a section for 'blessings'/'maledictions' etc.?  If there was then it seems odd that this rule wouldn't have specified.

In 5th, I think the only type of psychic power with any special rules was Psychic Shooting Attacks.

This rings a bell.. I'll have to root out the book when I get a chance. Wasn't our 'dex supposed to be a 'ready for 6th' one anyway?

I had a break between 4th and 6th, so I'm a little hazy...

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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 18:44

@Starkadder wrote:
This rings a bell.. I'll have to root out the book when I get a chance.  Wasn't our 'dex supposed to be a 'ready for 6th' one anyway?  

I heard that rumour about GKs and Necrons, but never about our book.

Really, I have a hard time believing that it could have been designed for 6th for a few reasons:

- 6th introduced Hull Points and Snapshots - both effectively favour moderate-strength weapons with multiple shots (e.g. assault cannons, Scatterlasers etc.). So, what did we get to prepare us for that? Um... dark lances that can't even be twin-linked. Not a good start.

- 6th brought in overwatch, and various other factors to make combat less favourable. And yet, our combat troops are both fragile and expensive (e.g. wyches cost more than warriors).

- 6th made most power weapons weaker, taking them down to AP3. So, we must have got a lot of weapons that seemed like bargains in 5th, right? Nope - we got a pile of crap that was bad in 5th and only got worse in 6th. Electrocorrosive Whip, anyone?

Basically, I just can't find anything that would imply our codex was designed with 6th in mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Useless DE characters?   Useless DE characters? - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 06 2014, 19:01

[quote="The Shredder"]
@Starkadder wrote:
Electrocorrosive Whip, anyone?


I tryed once  Very Happy 
My Succubus killed an ork warboss with that (but almost died in the process)

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