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MarcoAvrelis
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PostSubject: 1750 vs 1750 Blood Angels.   1750 vs  1750 Blood Angels. I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 11 2014, 18:52

Ok, First, We've already shown each other the lists, and cannot change them. We're playing tomorrow.
What I'd like to achieve is to get good tactical ideas (or speculate the odds) rather than suggestions on what to change.

His list (Blood Angels) (I've removed the point costs)

+ HQ +

* Astorath the Grim

+ Elites +

* Furioso Dreadnought
* Furioso
Frag Cannon
* Blood Fist , Built-in Heavy Flamer

* Terminator Assault Squad
Terminator with Thunder Hammer and Storm Shield , 4x Terminator with Twin Lightning Claws
* Land Raider, Searchlight

+ Troops +
* Assault Squad
4x Assault Marines , Retain Jump Packs
* Veteran Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

* Death Company
3x Bolt Pistol, 3x Chainsword, Lemartes
* 3x Death Company Marine
3x Jump Pack

* Tactical Squad
Flamer, Missile Launcher, 8x Tactical Marine
* Veteran Sergeant
Bolt Pistol, Chainsword

+ Fast Attack +

* Baal Predator
Heavy Flamers , Twin Linked Assault

* Nephilim Jetfighter
(Strafing Run, Unrelenting Hunter) Avenger Mega Bolter, 6x Black Sword Missiles, Twin Linked Heavy Bolter

* Stormtalon Gunship
(Aerial Assault, Escort Craft, Hover Strike, Supersonic) Twin-linked assault cannon


1750 pts.

I don't get why he took all the flame templates.
Also, I'm not sure if BA may use Nephilims, but I'm fine with him using one.

HQ:
Warlord:
(Dr. Gavriella Avrelis)
Haemonculi
Venom blade, Liquifier

Elite:

(splinterborn)
Trueborn 3x. 2 x Splintercannons
Venom, 2 x splintercannons, Nightshield

(splinterborn)
Trueborn 3x. 2 x Splintercannons
Venom, 2 x splintercannons, Nightshield

(blasterborn)
Trueborn 4x, 4x blasters
Raider, Nightshield

Troop:

Warriors
5x, 1 blaster
venom, 2x splintercannons, nightshield

Warriors
5x, 1 blaster
venom, 2x splintercannons, nightshield

Warriors
5x, 1 blaster
venom, 2x splintercannons, nightshield

Fast:

9 reavers
3x heatlances, 3 x cluster caltrops

Heavy:

(Disa with the Disintergrators)
Razorwing
disintergrators, nightshield, flickerfield, splintercannon

(Suicidal Lexie)
Razorwing
Nightshield, flickerfield

(Void-eyed Veronica)
Voidraven
Nightshield, flickerfield, 4x shatterfield missiles

1749pts

I was thinking of starting with Gavriella in the Reaver unit, and jump out of it ASAP, letting them keep the Pain Token (It's legal, right?).

Also, If Veronica drops a void mine on, lets say, the land raider, is she still allowed to shoot at an other flyer?

Any strategies or tactics or at least tactical tips/reminders?
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 vs 1750 Blood Angels.   1750 vs  1750 Blood Angels. I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 11 2014, 22:19

As someone who plays blood angels a lot I can give you some tips but quite frankly it looks like you're bringing a gun to a knife fight.

Also no, if I'm not mistaken the BA codex doesn't have the nephilim jetfighter, or the storm talon so his list is "technically" illegal, but it's all in good fun right?

Why do i say you're bringing a gun to a knife fight?

I only see one transport in his list. A land raider. The furioso dreadnaught is only scary if it's in a drop pod.

Looking at his list he's going to actually have trouble cracking open your venoms, and if all his troops are footslogging your rain of poison shots is going to cut his army in half before he's really threatening you.

Veronica may fire at another flyer and Gavriella can give them a pain token.

I'm going to be honest I'm not sure what his list is trying to achieve. His terminators only have one storm shield so your disintegrators will fry them to pieces.

His furioso is close combat, but can only move 6". So it shouldn't threaten you until third turn. If he's bringing a drop pod with this guy, he's very dangerous so make sure of that.

His deathcompany is too small and non-scoring, his tactical squad is too big.

I'd say your biggest threats are the predator and the flyers. Possibly the landraider depending on what it's equipped with they have like 3 different versions.

I'd try to take the predator and the land raider out before the flyers come in, then use my flyers to take them out. The rest of your fire can be used to take out his very vulnerable marines very slow marines.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 vs 1750 Blood Angels.   1750 vs  1750 Blood Angels. I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 11 2014, 23:07

Thanks.

I guess, since I played against his tau before, and scared him real good with my huskblade/soultrap archon moving 40" first turn with a raider up front, he might have prepared for a CC list with Incubi and such. (Unfortunately for me, I've only used a shadowfield in 2 games, and rolled a 1 on the first roll both times.)

How do I use reavers?

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 vs 1750 Blood Angels.   1750 vs  1750 Blood Angels. I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 12 2014, 02:09

The reavers are to be used at the right time for the right strike. With them, you need to think 1 move ahead always. If you move up 12" and melta the landraider, can you get out of los easily? Always expect to roll low on the assault move. Those guys fail leadership tests easily, so i reccomend not going in for a melta shot except if you can move out of los very easily, taking into account the enemy movement phase. As for the caltrops, i love em, since they allow for some serious harassment. I find it easier to use these than the lances since you can line up with a 12" move and then the 36" turbo, making it relatively easy to get out of los. Although depending on deployment and enemy tactics, having an enemy bunched up in his deployment can make it hard to get a caltrops attack working without being punished afterwards. In these cases, i do my best to be patient with em and keep em away and go in later for the kill or to eighter grab or contest an objective late game. With these guys i find that patience is a virtue and overreaching never pays off. They are to valuable to squander away but just having them on the board gives you power of the battlefield as any player who has met em before will fear em and therefore rething any troop movement. Just my thoughts and experiances with em so far, good luck:)
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PostSubject: Re: 1750 vs 1750 Blood Angels.   1750 vs  1750 Blood Angels. I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 12 2014, 14:38

Thanks.

I played, and I won, but not as fast as I should've. I've also got too close, so, unfortunately, there was some close combat. Also Unfortunately, Disa with the Disintergrators got killed fast due to old grudges. (She killed a lot of his Tau last game, like 1/4th of his army if not more.).

It was hammer and anvil & big guns never tire.

Only Lexie, veronica, 3 reavers and the 2 splinterborn units survived, the opponent was wiped.

Also, The reavers where great.

Notable Killers:

Gavriella: 1 terminator (last one in squad) with overwatch.

Reavers:
Bladevane:  2 assault marines, 3 DC, 1 Astorath.
Heatlance: 1 land raider, 1 stormtalon (Hover mode).

Lexie: 1 Nephilim, 1 Baal Predetor.

Veronica: 3 assault marines (Void mine), 1 Dreadnought (last model in his army)

Missiles fired: 2 monoscytes, 2 shatterfields.
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