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PostSubject: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 06:01

These will be an issue. They are relatively cheap and can have 3 layers and you can bring as many as you can afford..... AND if you do lower the shields without blowing the generator they go back on line on a 5+. They provide a 12" bubble where the troops inside won't be hit until you lower the shield(s) which is an armor 12. They MUST be taken out first but it will definitely change our list builds if they become popular, which I can't see them not being.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 06:25

I Played against one of these last week (he had 3 from 1 generator) I turbo boosted 2 venoms full of wyches with haywire into them...

He couldn't shoot me with his heavy weapon squads outside unless he blew his own shield up first they were in a diff bubble, survivability went through the roof.. While these can be an issue they can also backfire superbly as our raw speed allows us into them pretty much first turn

Btw turn 2 my wyches got out and heywired his tanks inside and then I parked 2 ravagers inside and abused his shields that he payed for..

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 16:15

I don't think his own weapons hurt the shields. I could be wrong but I think he may have played them wrong. Unless he was shooting from outside his own bubble. As it was tough for me becuz he had 3 shield gens and each had 3 "layers". (It was a big game) my venoms were worthless. But I haven't played a normal sized game with them so they may be less effective at smaller games, but I can't see how. Half of our army is worthless unless you're tailoring a list. If used correctly as my opponent did, I believe these will be an issue.y opponent would've never let anything get in that bubble without wrapping my vehicles in CC, and not allowing my troops to come out hence destroying the vehicle and the troops inside. Basically he castled up in these bubbles and left the tanks outside except 2 whirlwinds and 1 vindy. It was a pretty rough game

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 16:53

Arent those Voidshields goes boom when building housing them collapse? They wont reactivate then.

Haywires also auto-collapse them, whatever the form, grenade or blaster. Since we are moving in all allowed territory, Forgeworld Reaper pretty much hard-counter them.
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 20:53

Ill have to check the rules, but what I got in how they work was it is a 12" bubble that cannot be targeted, you can opt to target the generator (AV 14) (lances don't work on buildings) or you can target anything within the bubble.  However any hits are resolved against the shield first (AV12) any glances and pens are resolved against that first and any remaining wounds are allocated to the original target.  Now they can have 3 layers of this per generator.....  Its pretty nasty.  I have found not targeting it first (obviously taking into consideration their deployment ) doesn't bode well.  It basically takes all of our tank poppers and heavy hitters out first turn.  And gives them free movement.

PS. The only thing we have that can hurt an AV14 is the void lance.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 05 2014, 21:42

Why lances dont work on building?

The way i read it in Stronghold book Void Shields are upgrade on AV13 Impassable Building
(Terrain Type - Impassable Building). It can be destroyed, cant see why not.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 00:06

He is referring to the lance special rule. Lances only reduce armor on vehicles, not buildings. In order to take a generator down you need to make the generator itself the target and after the sheilds fall all other shots go to the generator itself. Since there are no hull points you have to score a penetrating hit and hope for an explodes.
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 00:54

@leapfrog wrote:
He is referring to the lance special rule. Lances only reduce armor on vehicles, not buildings.

Had this come up at the last big tourney I went to.  The building rules say, "Units may shoot at or charge an occupied building just as if it was a vehicle." so they ruled that armorbane/melta/lance/haywire/rending/tank hunter/etc. do affect buildings.  Also as mentioned above Shield Generators are only AV13.
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 15:56

What did your opponents use for their arrays as their is no model or example for them in the book? I am going to an event this weekend and i am considering bringing the Formation that allows you to bring 3 arrays
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 16:31

It's a Medium building I believe so anything roughly the same size as a Bastion would be appropriate.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 16:38

Where does it say that it is a medium size building? The only thing i could find was that it is impassible terrain with battlements, no fire points of access points.
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 16:38

Not got my book with me so might be remembering that wrong. I'll check tonight.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 18:27

I played against a void shield generator this past weekend and came to the conclusion that we have nothing at all to worry about.  Although, I am considering adding one to my list... to keep some back field objective guys in an AV12 bubble while allowing the objective to be pretty much in the open.

Anyway, my opponent had placed a couple long range shooting units within the bubble.  On Turn 1, I flat out moved 2 venoms to be inside the 12" bubble and turbo boosted a group of reavers to bladevane him.  This basically meant my venoms / reavers were safe from any fire from outside the bubble, while my vehicles got a good jink save from the units inside.  T2 The venom's, and their contents, completed the process of killing his units while, on his T2, he couldn't figure out how to displace them  cheers 

My takeaway from this is the VSG's are great against slow moving armies and all but useless against fast ones.  The majority of people that are going to take one are trying to add another layer of protection against a static unit or two.  The downside is that once the enemy is within the borders then the only force that can effectively target them has to also be on the inside.  For us: there is zero point shooting at it.  Just run inside and get the gooey contents.

Regarding size.. the only thing we know is that it has battlements there is absolutely zero size data in the SA book.  My guess is that once they actually produce a model they'll issue a FAQ for SA to change the description slightly.  The one I played this weekend really wasn't that big; maybe 4" across at the base.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 06 2014, 21:23

Yeah, checked my copy of Stronghold Assault when I got home and you're right. No mention of size so you can make it as large or small as you wish.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeTue Jan 07 2014, 22:55

One of the most stressed concepts of playing Dark Eldar is to focus almost all of your army into one small portion of theirs, using speed to negate/minimise the impact other portions of their army can make until you have killed the first few key units and you're ready for them.

Seems like if an opponent buys a void shield and you get in there really quickly he's done all the work for you, as your really killy combat units which don't like getting shot *cough* INCUBI/WITCHES *cough* get a free shield from most of their army.

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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 08 2014, 04:38

The nice thing about void shields is the false sense of security it gives the owner. The look on the other player's face when my Ravagers took the shield down was almost priceless. The priceless look came when he realized that yes, in fact all of those shots were really going into the now unshielded Burna unit he had camping out on the promethium line (he knows I have problems with flame attacks, so he brings plenty).
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PostSubject: Re: So fought my first game with void shields   So fought my first game with void shields I_icon_minitimeWed Jan 08 2014, 15:49

Well I'm basing my game off of 4500 points per player and it was 2 on 2.  He had 3 generators, which under normal force org wouldn't happen. But we were playing with no force org.  We also set the game up dark eldar and chaos vs all space marines.  I haven't played sm since the new codex, I thought I was being nice by giving so many points to work with as sm usually suffer from not being able to brig as much.  I think model for model they had more than we did lol.  So my game was probably not the best representation of the shields, however a smart player would effectively be able to use these and really do some damage with it.  The fact that it pretty much negates first turn shooting with our big guns is what bothers me.  Unless you get lucky.  I also, only have two ravagers currently, so thats my fault.
Also, those are now shots we weren't allocating to shields before but now we have too. UNLESS, you're making a very close combat army as stated before, but that doesn't do well for an all comers list.

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