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PostSubject: 1850 list for tournament   1850 list for tournament I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 11 2013, 10:54

Hi guys. I looking for your advice how to make the list better. I have a tourney next Sunday and need to be prepared to face lots of power lists of Tau, Necrons, Eldar and other scary armies.
Here are my forces.

1 Duke Sliscus the Serpent - Warlord (HQ) @ 150 Pts

8 Wyches (Troops) HWG @ 183 Pts
1 Hekatrix (Venom Blade)
1 Raider

4 Kabalite Trueborn (Elites) @ 143 PtsS-Cannon (x2); Shardcarbines (x2)
1 Venom

5 Wyches (Troops) HWG @ 125 Pts
1 Venom

5 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) Blaster @ 125 Pts
1 Venom

5 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) Blaster @ 125 Pts
1 Venom

10 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) DL; Blaster @ 190 Pts
1 Raider

1 Baron Sathonyx (HQ) @ 105 Pts

4 Beastmasters (Fast Attack) @ 216 Pts
9 Khymerae @ [108] Pts
4 Razorwing Flocks @ [60] Pts

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 115 Pts
Dark Lance (x3); Night Shields

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 115 Pts
Dark Lance (x3); Night Shields

1 Farseer (HQ) (EL) @ 155 Pts
Shard of Anaris; Witchblade; Eldar Jetbike
3 Windrider Jetbike Squad (Troops) (EL) @ 51 Pts
3 Windrider Jetbike Squad (Troops) (EL) @ 51 Pts

Total Army Cost: 1849

The idea is the following - the duke gives poison to splinterborns and go to ride with wyches on raider. Jetseer, Baron and their zoo running forward, casting spells and eating bullets. It's a common and effective scheme.

BUT I want to add 6 reavers here. (2 Heat Lances and arena champion with VB). It is very important and I really need these guys, it's very effective unit and they bring me luck.
So guys, what would you recommend me to DROP in exchange for the bikes? I'm quite troops heavy here, but one of the missions is Purge the Alien, the second one is The Emperor's Will. So there is no need in too many scoring units.
I need 156 - 171 points depending on the Arena champion. If I drop the Duke I will lose good drugs chance (reavers and wyches) and poison for splinterborns. If I drop the bigger wych squad, the Duke, who is a pretty good fighter, will stay in a shooty unit, so it's a points sink. I also don't want to drop any squad in Venom in order not to loose 12 shoots.
Or just to forget about the reavers? What to you think?
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 list for tournament   1850 list for tournament I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 11 2013, 13:16

Tricky question. If you're really dead set on having the reavers in then I'd suggest considering the following. Rather than cutting an entire unit and replacing it, consider slimming units to add an extra one in, that way you get maximum target saturation, and more focused units.

Trueborn - Are the shardcarbines genuinely worth it with 18" range? Can you survive with just the cannons at 32"? That can save you 22 points, there's one reaver..

The beast unit is a lot of points, would slimming it down fractionally impact its effectiveness all that much? Dropping one Khymerae and one Flock gets you another 27 points

The Ten man Kabalites. How many times per game do you actually get to fire that dark lance? You really have to be absolutely sure its worth having for 25 points... Otherwise, if you're sitting in the backfield camping an objective with them.. then do you need the blaster? I personally can't see a good argument for having both in the same squad. I would also consider dropping both... Blasphemy I know, but that would be another 40 points.

I love me some Night Shields on my ravagers as well, but in a pinch you could lose both for 20 points.

Your Duke's wyches. Are you definitely going to assault a vehicle with them? If so, how are you going to deal with your HQ potentially getting stranded and shot to hell? I'd rather have him, and by extension them, in cc with another unit. So I'd consider dropping their HWGs, I'd also consider dropping a body as well. That would be another 26 points.

If you do all that you've got the same number of units, but an extra 135 points.. That'll get you six reavers, but no heat lances yet.. I'd have a long hard think about that big kabalite squad again.. Ten naked kabalites in a raider, or five in a venom.. Essentially you're going to have to ask yourself whether you think two heatlances will outperform two dark lances.. If the answer is yes, then drop the raider and five bodies (you can even keep the blaster!).

Hope that's of some help

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 list for tournament   1850 list for tournament I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 13 2013, 08:45

Thank you for response, Olleta.
Thing you said about 10 man kabalite squad made me think - "do I really need them?" No. That will be game not for scoring and camping. There will be 3 Missions: Emperors will, Relic and Purge the alien. I don't need too much scoring troops, so I decided to drop that big unit and one more Windrider squad.

Amended list:

1 Duke Sliscus the Serpent - Warlord (HQ) @ 150 Pts

8 Wyches (Troops) HWG @ 183 Pts
1 Hekatrix (Venom Blade)
1 Raider

4 Kabalite Trueborn (Elites) @ 143 PtsS-Cannon (x2); Shardcarbines (x2)
1 Venom

5 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) Blaster @ 125 Pts
1 Venom
5 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) Blaster @ 125 Pts
1 Venom
5 Kabalite Warriors (Troops) Blaster @ 125 Pts
1 Venom

1 Baron Sathonyx (HQ) @ 105 Pts

4 Beastmasters (Fast Attack) @ 216 Pts
10 Khymerae @ [108] Pts
4 Razorwing Flocks @ [60] Pts

1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 115 Pts
Dark Lance (x3); Night Shields
1 Ravager (Heavy Support) @ 115 Pts
Dark Lance (x3); Night Shields

1 Farseer (HQ) (EL) @ 155 Pts
Shard of Anaris; Witchblade; Eldar Jetbike
5 Windrider Jetbike Squad (Troops) (EL) @ 51 Pts


5 Reavers (Fast Attack) @ 171 Pts
Heat Lance (x2)
1 Arena Champion @ [37] Pts
Venom Blade

I have 25 points left and plan to spend then on special weapons of one more splinterborn with carbine. Actually it would be also nice to buy one more windrider jet bike, but I discovered that I have no more models

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PostSubject: Re: 1850 list for tournament   1850 list for tournament I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 13 2013, 09:30

I'd also consider an Agoniser on your Hekatrix, just for that extra little bit of punch in challenges.
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PostSubject: Re: 1850 list for tournament   1850 list for tournament I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 13 2013, 09:42

@Ollelta wrote:
I'd also consider an Agoniser on your Hekatrix, just for that extra little bit of punch in challenges.

I also think about Agoniser. Very nice thing and it's pity that there are not always free points for it.

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