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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 13:35

That is one thing I have started to notice, is the way a huskblade archon can be used like a little guided instant death missile. I run mine with a haemy and four grots, so he starts with furious charge. Every once in awhile I'll even get lucky on his drug rolls for +1 str and go wraithknight hunting ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 13:44

@Flint13 wrote:
That is one thing I have started to notice, is the way a huskblade archon can be used like a little guided instant death missile. I run mine with a haemy and four grots, so he starts with furious charge. Every once in awhile I'll even get lucky on his drug rolls for +1 str and go wraithknight hunting ^_^
And what hapens if you don't get a "6" on your first turn with Archon? Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 15:11

@Vasara wrote:
@Flint13 wrote:
That is one thing I have started to notice, is the way a huskblade archon can be used like a little guided instant death missile. I run mine with a haemy and four grots, so he starts with furious charge. Every once in awhile I'll even get lucky on his drug rolls for +1 str and go wraithknight hunting ^_^
And what hapens if you don't get a "6" on your first turn with Archon? Very Happy 
 
Pray your shadowfield doesnt short out on you and that you have paid your haemonculus well Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 19:50

He's in a group of 4 grots and a haemy. A wraithknight can't challenge, so he can just LoS any wounds tossed specifically at him correct? But I see what you mean, it is a decent risk. At the very least, thats a good 8 or 9 venom blade attacks between the haemy and the abomination as well. A 3+ save isn't that impressive when you wound it with 5/6's of your hits.
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 19:57

if I remember, a WK can challenge (its a character I think, just like a Wraithlord is) but you can refuse and still tank, so your statement is still valid

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 20:40

Oh snaps! I didn't realize that. Neither of the two eldar players at my FLGS has ever used any of the 5 wrightknights between them to challenge. I do remember some talk of waiths as characters with the Iyanden book, now that I think of it.

Risk big win big player that I am, I might just try it and accept the challenge anyway ^_^

Assuming the grots and haemy were still all alive, it *would* be just enough extra bodies to give me that one challenge re-roll as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 13 2013, 21:04

Wk are not characters. Wrightlords though are.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 14 2013, 09:09

@Vasara wrote:
Wk are not characters. Wrightlords though are.
Bizarre but true. Maybe cos the Wraithknights are 'piloted' by two Eldar (one dead, one alive). Who knows?

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 14 2013, 14:53

hmm... thought they were. Maybe because a WL is an exarch soul and a WK is a regular ol eldar in a weird machine, soul, eldar hybrid???

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 15 2013, 02:49

Careful Adhemar. Say that too loud and tau Riptide "unit" shenanigans might start up with Wraithknights.
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 15 2013, 09:12

@Flint13 wrote:
Careful Adhemar. Say that too loud and tau Riptide "unit" shenanigans might start up with Wraithknights.
LOL. I think even the most ardent rules lawyers would struggle to argue that a construct piloted by two crew isn't a unit that always consists of a single model - especially as one of the pilots is actually dead! I'd like to see them try though. Very Happy 

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 15 2013, 09:45

Cant R'Varna already join Wraithknight?

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 15 2013, 09:53

@Azdrubael wrote:
Cant R'Varna already join Wraithknight?
AFAIK, nothing can join a Wraithknight as it's a unit that always consists of a single model. IC rules say:

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Independent Characters can join other units. They cannot, however, join vehicle squadrons (see page 77) or units that always consist of a single model (such as most vehicles and Monstrous Creatures).
The argument with Riptides (and the R'varna variant) is that as they can take Shielded Missile Drones (which count as extra squad members) they are no longer "units that always consist of a single model" and therefore ICs can join them. Which is 100% correct according to the RAW but I suspect will get a huge swing from the nerf bat if GW ever gets around to doing a new FAQ.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 15 2013, 10:04

Thanks for clarify

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 18 2013, 03:03

Am I wrong in thinking shadow field is an armor save? I keep seeing it mentioned as an invul until you fail it. I have been running eldar lately as I have kid of gotten bored with my deldar. No one likes playing them in my meta cuz I usually destroy them within 3 turns. Also, the psychic powers are fun. But I usually run lots of venoms, trueborn, kabalites and coven. I rarely rarely run an archon, I was under the assumption the 2+ was an armor save.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 18 2013, 03:40

It is an invulnerable save which is why it costs so much to buy. It's amazing, probably one of the best invulns in the game for sure.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 18 2013, 06:30

It's invulnerable.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Nov 18 2013, 07:17

Shadow field is invulnerable save of 2++ untill you fail it. After failure it doesn't offer any kind of protection.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 11:31

It seems that this chaos player has been dominating at my local shop with Abbadon or whatever. I dont think anyone has managed to bring him down.

I think im going to polish up my Drazhar and send him Abbadon hunting. I never use Drazhar due to the massive point sink, but I feel like this is a special circumstance.

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 11:39

Not sure that Drazhar will do much to Abaddon. Even on the charge, rerolling misses and using his Demiklaives to add +2S, he still only does 1.25 wounds to Abaddon. In return, Abaddon is going to do just under 3 wounds with no save. Round 2 it's all over for Drazhar!

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 11:53

think Drazhar rerolls hits and wounds with preferred enemy right?
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 12:05

@bveazey wrote:
think Drazhar rerolls hits and wounds with preferred enemy right?
Good point but it's only rolls of 1. For some reason I thought it was reroll all missed To Hit rolls.

Taking that into account I think he's probably even worse off than I thought. Given that he's only 35 points less than Abaddon I wouldn't even bother trying!

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 12:49

Good point. It does seem every one of our special characters besides the Baron and possibly the Duke are a bit over costed. I'd be much more confident sending a soul trap huskblade archon to fight Abbadon. It would be more difficult to wound him and it won't get past his eternal warrior any faster than drazhar, but I feel like the shadow field will help him survive and at least tie Abbadon down for awhile.
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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 15:11

You dont assault Failbadon, he is considered one of the top fighter characters around for a reason. Just shoot him to death, and your opponent will be wishing he just brought a landraider.

Also Count you were thinking 5th Prefered, yeah it got worse (unless your a shooting unit). Draz just doesnt live up to his points cost. Infact most of our characters dont except for Baron for the simple fact of what do you expect out of 100 pts...

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PostSubject: Re: Special Characters   Special Characters - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 27 2013, 15:18

@Shadows Revenge wrote:
Also Count you were thinking 5th Prefered,
Ah yes, that was it.

I agree. Assaulting Abaddon is best left to the likes of Lysander. If you are going to take Drazhar then he really needs to be making mincemeat of your opponent's scoring units, not tied up in combat with a superior opponent.

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