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PostSubject: Haemonculus Equipment Questions   Haemonculus Equipment Questions I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 02 2013, 15:56

I feel like I should totally know the answer to this, but I'm not able to satisfy myself about it with a book reference, and I cannot seem to find a thread on this topic with search in the Rules area, so. . . .

Using Army Builder, I went to have a 2 Haemi unit (something I almost never do), and I wanted to equip the Haemi differently.  AB wouldn't let me.  So I looked at my book and noted that it said that you could have 1-3 Haemis in your unit with up to two pieces of wargear.  I noted it did not say 2 pieces of wargear per Haemi.  I wondered if I had been thinking of it incorrectly all this time.

I then went back and checked AB's math and realized that when I added the second Haemi, it cost more than 50 points because it added a second Haemi who was equipped exactly as the first.  In other words, if you had a Haemi with a Liquifier and a Flesh Gauntlet and you added a second Haemi, you got it with a Liquifier and Flesh Gauntlet.  There was no other option for the second Haemi.

I then started to (over)think about the problem and realized that I could not find any rule that allowed you to take multiple Haemis and split them into different units.  For that matter, it suddenly seemed unclear to me if the unit of multiple Haemis came with only one pain token or a pain token for each Haemi.

So, here's what I'm wondering:

1)  Can a unit of multiple Haemis have only two items of wargear period or is it two per Haemi?

2)  Can the unit of Haemi's (A Haemi being an IC) be split up to join different units?

3)  If the Haemis can split up, since one Haemi costs 50 points and comes with a pain token, does taking a second Haemi in the unit (which costs the same full 50 points), bring a second pain token, or is it one pain token per unit of Haemis?

I'm going to keep looking around my books for the answers, but if you guys can save me some time, that'd be awesome.  Thanks.

Dan

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PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus Equipment Questions   Haemonculus Equipment Questions I_icon_minitimeMon Sep 02 2013, 16:01

Armybuilder lets you equip them differently.

Add your Haemi before equipping. Then rather than clicking on the top "haemonculus" that is the parent, start from the bottom up. That should work.

Now to answer your specific questions:

1) each Haemi can have 2
2) yes, the Haemi can be split to join different units (for some reason army builder does not let you do this. It similarly doesn't let you split up Warlocks in the Eldar list).
3) Yes, bringing the second Haemi brings you a second pain token.

hope that helps.
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PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus Equipment Questions   Haemonculus Equipment Questions I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 03 2013, 19:29

Haemies are never referred to as a unit at any point in the codex. They just come up to 3 per HQ slot. Obviously they can join together to form a unit, as can any other group of IC's. Each Haemie can indeed have 2 items of wargear, but remember the restrictions on the items marked with an asterisk, only 1 per army.
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PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus Equipment Questions   Haemonculus Equipment Questions I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 03 2013, 23:09

If you take a look at page 85 again you will see that all Haemonculi are independent characters, so they are each a own unit in and of themselves. If you then take a look at the unit's composition, you'll notice that each 'unit' of Haemonculus consists of exactly one Haemonculus and there is no option to add other models to this unit.
The rule in the sidebar allows us to take up to three Haemonculi per HQ slot; those don't form a single unit, but are different ones for all purposes and all their special rules apply separately. So each Haemonculus gets its own pain token and its own gear.

The problem you describe is rather common for Army builder and other such programs, because special rules, like the Haemonculus' are, while not unheard of, more or less rare when compared to 'normal' units.

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PostSubject: Re: Haemonculus Equipment Questions   Haemonculus Equipment Questions I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 04 2013, 00:36

Well, I couldn't comment on the Army Builder aspects of the issue, I use my own homemade spreadsheet in MyDrive to compose my lists. But yes, the rest of that was exactly what I was trying to say myself.
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