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jbwms713
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PostSubject: Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi   Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 21 2013, 01:12

I was compelled to look over the rules for the Court, as I think it'd be a fun conversion project (I have one or two models to use already, and some fodder for the rest). After designing my Court of Choice and running the numbers to compare it to my typical Incubi retinue, I realized that the Raider would have one more spot, perfect for a Heamonculus (or ancient) in large games. This, of course, got me looking at some Arcane Wargear, which brings me to...

Scissorhands. A worse poison value than a Venom Blade, but it provides an attack bonus. And, of course, a heftier cost. Running some maths, though, on the charge it seems that the Venom Blade equals or beats the wound output of the Scissors, due to the better chance to wound. I didn't try to calculate post-charge (or being-charged) rounds of combat.

So why should I be excited to pay triple the points for this piece of Arcane Gear?? Unless I'm missing something, you still choose the rules of one CCW to use, and the attack bonus is included in the rules of the Scissors (otherwise it'd be a pricey way to get a bonus attack).

Maybe I've just gone crazy, and am missing something awesome. I hope?

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PostSubject: Re: Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi   Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 21 2013, 01:57

Its so close to the "Six of one, half a dozen of the other" Essentially I interpret it as;

Haemy with venom blade & splinter pistol = 3 base attacks at poisoned 2+ 4 on charge

Haemy with scissor hand & splinter pistol (or stinger pistol as codex says combined with another weapon i.e. one you paid for) = 4 base attacks at poisoned 3+ , 5 attacks on the charge! at 3+

Can someone who is clever please tell me if ive interpreted it right?
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PostSubject: Re: Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi   Scissorhand vs Venom Blade on Heamonculi I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 21 2013, 03:20

@Lord Valestrane - you are correct.

@jbwms713 - here's the breakdown, I'll have him charge some MEQ opponents;

Haem w. Venom Blade = 4 attacks on charge
2 hit - 1.66 wounds

Haem w. Scissorhands = 5 attacks on charge
2.5 hit - 1.66 wounds

Same deal but costs more, right? Well...sometimes, it starts to get tricky as you work in other effects. For instance, say you have Furious Charge or are fighting a T3 model...

Haem w. Venom Blade (with re-roll from poison due to T3 opponent or Furious Charge on T4) = 4 attacks on charge
2 hit - 1.94 wounds

Haem w. Scissorhands (with re-roll from poison due to T3 opponent or Furious Charge on T4) = 5 attacks on charge
2.5 hit - 2.22 wounds

So, the Scissorhand *is* a better weapon, there is literally no time where the V.Blade will kill more than a Scissorhand and there are times the Scissorhand will kill more than a V.Blade. The question is...are those times going to happen for you?

If your Haem is paired up with Wracks or Grots and will basically start the game with FC and be likely to go into assault...then the Scissorhands become a consideration as they'll consistently be a better tool.

With a Court it's more of a toss up and somewhat depends on what else you're doing. But without seeing your list, I'd tend to suggest the V.Blade will serve you fine and save you some points most of the time as the squad is unlikely to start with FC and will likely have a lot of units capable of eating T3 models in any case.

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