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Klaivex
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PostSubject: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 09:07

Hello fellow Dark Eldar Players, im heading to my first tournament in a few weeks and i am a little curious if my List will be working. So i would like to get some advices from more experienced Archons. Its a 1850 points Tournament with 12 people playing. My first Match will be against Necrons (someone from my own gamingclub challenged me).

Excuse my bad english, i am no native speaker.


Archon with Duskblade, Soul Trap and Shadowfield 135 Points

Haemonculus with Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade and Casket of Flensing 75 Points

4 Incubbi in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 168 Points

4 Trueborn with Blasters in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 183 Points

10 Warriors with Blaster and Canon in a Raider (Splinterracks, night shields,flicker field) 205 Points

10 Warriors with Blaster and Canon in a Raider (Splinterracks, night shields,flicker field) 205 Points

5 Wracks with a Liquifier Gun in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 135 Points

5 Warriors with Blaster in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 135 Points

6 Dark Eldar Jetbikes with 2 Blasters and 1 Cluster Calltrop 182 Points

2x Ravager (Night Shields,flicker field) 2x 125 Points

1 Razorwing Jetfighter (Night Shields,flicker field) 165 Points

Total 1838 Points

Only Things i have left to put them in:
10 Wyches
1 more Raider
5 Scourges with Haywire Blasters
5 Scourges with Splintercannons
5 Warriors
1 Talos
5 Incubbi
5 Hellions (not enough i know Sad)

so what dou you think so far?
thanks for your opinion

Edit says: I would really like to hear Mushkillas opinion Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 09:27

Remove Night shields to get in some wyches in a Raider.

Don't make your toys expencive since you are going to lose them in first turns. More numerous cheap units helps to negate those losses.

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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 17:25

Hey and welcome! Lets run through the list and ill give my input:

Archon with Duskblade, Soul Trap and Shadowfield 135 Points
I assume archon will run with Incubi, if this is the case he needs Phantasm Grenade Launcher to allow incubi to assault through cover. Otherwise looks ok.

Haemonculus with Liquifier Gun, Venom Blade and Casket of Flensing 75 Points
Does this guy ride with the Trueborns? If so, what is the idea? Trueborns you want to stay out of CC and out of range to get shot down, yet you have a venom blade and a template weapon. IF this is the case you might want to rethink. Trueborns also don't benefit too much from the token as again, you do not want them to take any fire.

4 Incubbi in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 168 Points
Skip Nightshields, this is assault troops.

4 Trueborn with Blasters in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 183 Points
Might be an idea to skip NS also here since you will want to move around at 18'' range. a matter of preference.

10 Warriors with Blaster and Canon in a Raider (Splinterracks, night shields,flicker field) 205 Points
You are pumping too many upgrades into the units. Keep it simple. One unit, 1 task. Warriors in raider with racks, fine. Warriors with a blaster, fine. etc etc. Take some time to think what you really want the unit to accomplish, skip the rest of the upgrades.

10 Warriors with Blaster and Canon in a Raider (Splinterracks, night shields,flicker field) 205 Points
Same thing here.

5 Wracks with a Liquifier Gun in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 135 Points
LFG and NS are counter intuitive.

5 Warriors with Blaster in a Venom (with canon,night shields) 135 Points
NS and Blaster is somewhat counter intuitive.

6 Dark Eldar Jetbikes with 2 Blasters and 1 Cluster Calltrop 182 Points
Goweapon upgrades OR bladevane upgrades. Pointless to sink that much points into something you most likely will not use. Any turn you are looking at either 20p unutilised points (caltrops) or 30p (2xblaster)

2x Ravager (Night Shields,flicker field) 2x 125 Points
Here i actually like the NS, but the more knowledgeable people around here will say that you either stick it everywhere, or nowhere. Flicker fields can be skipped. Sure its an invul, but against "man" armies this is wasted points as the jinx will be in place. sure, there'salot of ignore cover out there but still. +10p for something that will be usefull less than 50?% of the time?

1 Razorwing Jetfighter (Night Shields,flicker field) 165 Points
Night shields is kind of pointless here. FF is good tho!

Adding things up:
+PGL, 25p
-NS (inc venom) -10p
-2x Blaster, NS, FF (warriors) -70p
-NS (wracks venom), -10p
-Cluster Caltrops -20p
-2x FF, (ravagers) -20p
-115p

maybe;
-Heamy -75p
-NS (tru venom) -10p
-NS (war venom) -10p
-2x NS (Ravagers -20p
-115p

That frees up 115p and 115p depending how you prefer to do with the "grey zone" ones, thats almost 2 more units that can be included.

Id remove everything listed and add:
5 wyches + HWG + venom +extra sc 125p
Stock ravager 105p

With your availible units i'd most likely throw the wyches in raider and expand that group slightly and maybe add some scourges.

There is no right and wrong, just try to remember. We are a specialist force with a lot of goodies in our upgrades, but tailor EACH and EVERY unit to the intended purpose and skip the rest!

Best of luck
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 19:01

@Phiandros wrote:
We are a specialist force with a lot of goodies in our upgrades, but tailor EACH and EVERY unit to the intended purpose and skip the rest!

Best of luck
C

thats the best advice i would give to any dark eldar player

the other is although its tempting to upgrade everything, keep units basic.
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 20:40

Thank you 3 for your answers!
I think i will remove all the things Phiandros pointed out and buy another venom to put the wyches in.
but i cant afford another ravager this month.
So i would go for my scourges.
@ Phiandros would you prefer the haywire or cannon scourges?
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSat Jul 13 2013, 12:54

@Klaivex

I'd be tempted for the haywires as you have more ai than at, but it depends on your local meta. A lot of gunlines behind aegis then sc's could do wonders. Mech heavy. haywires all the way!
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 14 2013, 02:32

I'd:
1. Skip the Haemmy, he's useless like this. I pump mine only if I have spare points. Haemmy is taken if you need a cheap HQ or if you want a VenomSpam and need Wracks as troop. But you already have Archon, so...
2. Skip the blasters in the 10-kabalite units. They are anti-infanty/anti-monster units, it's a waste of point for them to have an anti-tank weapon. I'd think about deepstriking'em instead, so you won't need the NightShields.
3. Leave Wracks and 5xKabalites as they are. Our scoring units are way undefended by my opinion.
4. Leave NightShields everywhere except the assaulting transports. They are VERY useful.
5. Max Cluster Caltrop in the Reaver unit and give'em Heat Lances instead. Bikes are very mobile, and packed as I say become an universal threat for the enemy units.
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 14 2013, 21:33

okay i got another venom and will buy another ravager tomorrow.
i guess the razorwing is not good in a tournament list if nobody likes it.
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 14 2013, 21:44

Well, the Razorwing is meant as an universal thing... that in this case means that it does everything, but just a little of it. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 14 2013, 22:25

but for a newbie you would advice a third ravager more then a razorwing?
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PostSubject: Re: Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list   Can you lend me your Ears? My first tournament list I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 14 2013, 22:53

I'd advice it for everybody. Very Happy

Razorwings are a bad choice even if the model is beautiful.
Maybe you could try proxying a Voidraiven with it - that one hurts not less than a Ravager if used properly.
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