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PostSubject: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 08 2013, 22:36

Hello,
This is my first post on these forums, and I was looking for a little help with building a decently balanced Dark Eldar list at 1500 to 2000 points with the models I already own. I've had Dark Eldar models for quite a while, so I'm somewhat familiar with basic builds and tactics, but only recently have I begun to buy enough models to make some hopefully playable all-comers armies.
So here's what I own:

Archon
6 Trueborn (4 with splinter cannons)
5 Incubi
30 Wyches with 3 agonizers and assorted other special weapons
40 Kabalite Warriors (4 are armed with splinter cannons, 2 with blasters and 2 with shredders)
Beast Master Squad with 3 beast masters 10 Khymerae and 3 razorwing flocks
6 Reaver Jetbikes
3 Raiders
2 Venoms
1 Ravager
1 Razorwing Jetfighter

I'm mainly looking for suggestions on what I can do with what I own, not what models I need to buy to improve my army (although such suggestions are also welcome, I just won't act on them for a while as I'm looking to save cash)
Thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 09 2013, 00:21

an example of a list type I've been using in the past with mixed success for 1500 points games.

archon- ghost plate, power weapon 85

3x Trueborn with one splinter cannon in venom w/ extra splinter cannon and nightshields 121
3x Trueborn with one splinter cannon in venom w/ extra splinter cannon and nightshields 121
5x Incubi in raider 170

Wyches (8 w/ agonizer) Raider w/ nightshields 180
Wyches (8 w/ agonizer) Raider 170
Warriors w/syrbarite and splinter cannon 110
Warriors w/syrbarite and splinter cannon 110

Beast Masters 2 masters, 8 khymera,3 razorwing 165

Ravager w/ nightshields 115
Razorwing w/ flickerfield 155

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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 09 2013, 05:04

Do you face so little mech that you can get away with a list like that?

I suppose my real question is - when you say you have 'mixed success' what appears to be your foible? To my mind you lack ways to deal with mech, but if there is no mech in your area that would be good to know.

Also, regardless of it being over by two points - that is also an illegal list for the Beastmaster setup - it would take at least 4 Beastmasters to field that particular spread of beasts. Since you have only 3 Beastmasters in your entire collection the best you could do would be 10 Dogs and 2 Birds, or 4 Birds and 5 Dogs.

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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 00:36

Definitely a simple way of beefing up the mech busting power of this list would be to swap out the splinter cannons in those trueborn squads for blasters.

I assume that the archon rides with the wyches and the idea is probably to attack the hard spots with them and the incubi while the beasts and other wych squad go strike at another target together?
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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 14:03

@Thor
The main problem I end up having is my transports getting blown up before I can get to combat and my close combat troops getting shot up in the wreckage. I'd like to do a little more anti tank, I do end up dealing with some tanks, but I only really like using lance against them because whenever I get in to blaster range I get killed before I can do anything too effective. I'll consider trying some blaster born and I'm also thinking about just buying another ravager. I didn't realize the beasts were illegal, I had misread the codex on how many I could have, thanks!

@holanes
I'll try out the blasterborn, I just really enjoy kicking out scads of splinter shots. Perhaps cutting the points for a ravager is going to need to occur, however that might make me low on infantry. But yeah, your assumption about the basic idea of the list is correct.
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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 11 2013, 07:14

I'm not sure what the role of the warriors really is in this list, so another option here would be to drop the trueborn squads and make your two warrior squads 5 man units with splinter cannons in a venom. Basically the warriors take over the role that your trueborn are playing now.

This would allow you to include your reavers in the list (with heat lances!), which would help with tank busting.
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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 11 2013, 07:22

holanes wrote:
I'm not sure what the role of the warriors really is in this list, so another option here would be to drop the trueborn squads and make your two warrior squads 5 man units with splinter cannons in a venom.  Basically the warriors take over the role that your trueborn are playing now.  

This would allow you to include your reavers in the list (with heat lances!), which would help with tank busting.  

Cannon for Warriors becomes available when the squad is 10 man strong
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PostSubject: Re: Building a Balanced List   Building a Balanced List I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 12 2013, 22:32

I was gonna use the warriors to camp rear objectives
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