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PostSubject: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 08 2013, 21:29

Hi everyone,

As per the title, I am new to the wh40k table top hobby.
I have been doing a lot of research and came up with my 1st army list.

HQ
Archon – 125
-Shadow field & Huskblade

Elite
Incubi x4 – 170
-Klaivex
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields & Grisly Trophies

Troops
Kabalite Warriors x10 - 180
- Splinter Cannon
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks

Kabalite Warriors x10 - 180
- Splinter Cannon
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks


Wyches x5 -145
-Hydra Gauntlets
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields

Wyches x5 -145
-Razorflails
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields

Fast Attack
Reaver x6 -162
-Blasters

Heavy Support
Razorwing Jetfighter x2 -350
-Night shields & Flickerfield & Splinter cannon

Total - 1457

I look forward to seeing your thoughts on the list and how I can improve on it.
Most of the items I still have to purchase but I really like the idea of a fast moving army to get everyone into position quickly, then it's all about picking off where I can and like a true Archon taking any opportunities that present themselves.

I still have the following models available to me, however they didn't really fit in, imo.

5 Hellions
5 Mandrakes
10 Wyches
Urien Rakarth
Haemonculus

What I still need to buy
The Reavers
1 Raider
The Razorwings
The venoms

So it seems most of the army is not in my possession, seeing as how this hobby is extremely expensive, I want to ensure that the list and idea behind it is solid.
Perhaps it could even be changed up to incorporate what I have.

Thanks in advance for any and all help!
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 08 2013, 21:49

It's a good list but I would do some changes:

@Nythian wrote:
HQ
Archon – 125
-Shadow field & Huskblade
Good, but if you wanna charge with archon and incubi you need to buy even a PGL, or you are gonna lose your hig initiative

@Nythian wrote:
Elite
Incubi x4 – 170
-Klaivex
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields & Grisly Trophies
Take away the shield (you have to assault, so you have to go close) and trophies (not so userful)

@Nythian wrote:
Troops
Kabalite Warriors x10 - 180
- Splinter Cannon
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks

Kabalite Warriors x10 - 180
- Splinter Cannon
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks
Good, but some blasters could be nice

@Nythian wrote:
Wyches x5 -145
-Hydra Gauntlets
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields

Wyches x5 -145
-Razorflails
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon & Night shields
Take away shields (same reason of incubi) and the special wapon (5 wyches are to low on number to do serious close combat damage, use them only for hunting vehicles

@Nythian wrote:
Fast Attack
Reaver x6 -162
-Blasters
Good

@Nythian wrote:

Heavy Support
Razorwing Jetfighter x2 -350
-Night shields & Flickerfield & Splinter cannon
Personally I don't like our flyers too much... Ravagers are generrally better, but if you like them thats's not a bad option. You cold think even think to a Voidraven: AV>10 it's very important on flyers (bolters can't do anything!)

With this changes you will free about 50 point, that you coul use to give blasters to the cabalite (15+15 points) and maybe some other equipment to the archon (PGL or soul trap)
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 09 2013, 09:52

But if you want the Razorwing its no good to have splinter cannon for it. First two turns it unloads it missiles with lances. And By T4 (earlies) you get to shoot it.

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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 09 2013, 23:05

Thanks for such an insightful reply.

I had another look at my codex with what you pointed out in mind and saw the error of my logic with the wyches, taking away Grisly Trophies took a while though since I went through a bunch of scenarios, but scraped them in the end.

So this is what the list looks like now:

HQ
Archon – 150
-Shadow field & Huskblade & Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Elite
Incubi x4 – 153
-Klaivex
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Troops
Kabalite Warriors x10 - 195
- Splinter Cannon & Blaster
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks

Kabalite Warriors x10 - 195
- Splinter Cannon & Blaster
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks


Wyches x5 -125
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Wyches x5 -125
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Fast Attack
Reaver x6 -162
-Blasters

Heavy Support
Ravager -115
Night Shields

Razorwing Jetfighter -155
Night Shields

Total - 1375

I think the jetfighter looks really cool, so I want 1 at the least. As you can see the points dropped quite a bit, so I will just mod it for lower point games. I was thinking of adding another Ravager, but that is still a long way off due to the costs involved.
I was hoping to reach 1500 with the models I have laying around, though I haven't had time to find a working scenario for them yet.

Once again the models I still have are:
5 Hellions
5 Mandrakes
10 Wyches
Urien Rakarth
Haemonculus

All of that aside, the list seems to be in a much better and more logical state thanks to your suggestions.

Also I wasn't aware of how the shooting worked for the Razorwing, so CANNONS!!! Laughing 

Thanks again for the great assistance and taking time to help a new player.
I am still working through the rule book (that's how new I am) and the support of the community really is fantastic!

I look forward to seeing any more thoughts on this topic. Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 09 2013, 23:51

If you want to add more AI to make 1500 pts add trueborn with 2x SC in a venom with 2x SC
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 08:08

That seems like a good idea, trueborn are hard to come by in South Africa so I will probably have to import.
Does this list have any anti air capabilities? I know at my local game store all the chaos players (3 or 4) are crazing over those birdies they got.
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 08:15

The Razor wing needs flicker field so that you never have to Jink with it. Chance that NS to FF then you are good to go with it.

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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 08:23

Hi Vasara, could you explain the reasoning behind this?
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 08:42

Flicker field gives you 5+ invulnerable save. The same as normal cover with out the cost of snap shotting next turn. It also cannot be removed any way (Vector strike, ignore cover etc.)

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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 09:03

I see, thanks for your input, makes a lot of sense
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 09:41

I agree on the razorwing Flicker Field. You have still 125 point to fill and honestly doing that using only your remaining models is not easy. The most cheaper solution is to buy a venom and add another squad of wyches with granades (exactly 125 points).

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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 20:52

That works out well then Very Happy

I didn't want to start a new thread for this question, but what do you peeps think of this 1000 pt list:

HQ
Archon – 150
-Shadow field & Huskblade & Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Elite
Incubi x4 – 153
-Klaivex
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Troops
Kabalite Warriors x10 - 195
- Splinter Cannon & Blaster
Raider
-Night shields & Splinter racks

Wyches x5 -125
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Wyches x5 -125
-Haywire Grenades
Venom
-Splinter cannon

Fast Attack
Reaver x6 -162
-Blasters

Heavy Support
Ravager -115
Night Shields

Total 1025

If my opponent has a problem with it I can sacrifice the blaster on the warriors or something similar.

The reason for this is because I am starting this hobby with my brother (who will be playing Eldar) and we will both only be around the 700 - 1000 pt region for a while, and then I can complete the list or even change it up a bit (I am always open to suggestions) as I build to my 1500 pt mark.

At my local game shop there are quite a few of those heavy armored marine players, I think the Dark Eldar should prove to be a challenging army to play, but then again, where is the fun if it isn't?

Thanks for all the ongoing feedback Smile
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 22:46

I'd be quite happy to arrange a 1025 point game, but if you showed up to a 1000 point game with 1025 then I'd be a bit put off. If it's something like 1001 then fair enough it may be difficult to drop one point, but it's quite easy to drop 25 from your list - it may mean hard choices, but that's what the points limit is about. I'd drop the Splinter Racks and probably the Warriors' Blaster.

That aside, not the list I'd choose, but looks pretty solid.
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PostSubject: Re: New wh40k player with my 1st list   New wh40k player with my 1st list I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 10 2013, 22:52

You make a very valid argument, the list is catered to my play style (with RTS games and my general strategic tendencies) so as long as it seems solid I'm happy as can be Very Happy
Thanks for the input!
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