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PostSubject: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2013, 07:02

Haemonculus – 2X Venom Blade, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Flesh Gauntlet – 65 PT
9X Grotesques – 315 PT
485 PT

Haemonculus – 2X Venom Blade, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Flesh Gauntlet – 65 PT
9X Grotesques – 315 PT
485 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

1995 PTS

Plan is to have the talos' and the wracks to start in reserves, and have one of the haemonculi drop a WWP (webway portal) somewhere behind some cover and have the other one put a WWP up closer on turn 2 so that the wracks can come in (near objectives If we aren't doing kill points) or just come in and hide as they stalk upon scouts. The talos' will come in and wreak terror with liquifiers and cannons upon people. And the scourges will stay back behind cover and shoot down enemy vehicles (such as the famous land raider). I think this list will work, although, I've wanted opinions, considering half my army starts with pain tokens Razz FEEL NO PAIN ALL THE WAY WRACKS!!!

Anyways, I wanted to know, because these will be the things I get for my coven (lots of dakka conversions will appear) Razz

anyways thanks!
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2013, 14:55

Unless I've missed something, there's no point taking 2x Venom Blades on your Haemonculi. Just give each of them one, plus keep their pistol, and they still get +1A for two weapons and can use the VB rules.

I don't get why you're running Scourges unless just for fluff. Giving them Dark Lances negates their movement. Fluff aside, Trueborn would be better in this role (though you only have one Elite slot left). And I don't see fluff as a compelling reason here: as I understand it, Scourges are modified by Haemonculi but not actually part of the Covens.

I look forward to seeing the conversions...
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2013, 17:15

alright, but I don't really want to change scourges just because I see them as a viable unit (unless three trueborn with 2 darklances does anything Razz)
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2013, 17:30

Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Flesh Gauntlet – 65 PT
9X Grotesques – 315 PT
485 PT

Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Flesh Gauntlet – 65 PT
9X Grotesques – 315 PT
485 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

10X Wracks – 100 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Darklance – 140 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

1995 PTS

And I already chose my Haemonculi, they will be different necromancers from the Vampire Counts, with conversion overhaul from hell.
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeWed May 29 2013, 10:22

I saw this list and my eyes popped out of my face. That's a lot of Grotesques.

A couple of pieces of advice that I'd give (If you're wanting to stick with the theme of Coven) first off the Aberations work really well with Venom Blades, which are also cheaper I believe.

Second, those two squads of nine Grotesques are a bit overkill. Whatever they hit is going to die, and that's good, but there reaches a point when this become verkill and you could take more points away from the enemy's army if you invest some of the points elsewhere. If you lower the Grotesque squad sizes to around six-seven you'll still be getting around twenty one t6 wounds from them alone.

With the points that you have saved I would invest in adding liquifiers wherever I can and adding a couple mor Wrack squads. As it is you have a lot to mash face but not much to claim objectives.

The last thing I'd consider changing would be to put Haywire Blasters on the Scourges in stead of Darklances. Having all of those Haywire Blasters focussing on one target at a time will most likely strip all of the hull points leaving smouldering wrecks.
Also, with Haywire's being assault weapons you can move and fire. With Dark Lances you're stuck in one place if you want to sink something.

Hope this helps. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeThu May 30 2013, 04:10

Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Venomblade – 50 PT
5X Grotesques – 175 PT
330 PT

Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Venomblade – 50 PT
5X Grotesques – 175 PT
330 PT

10X Wracks – 1X Liquifier Gun – 110 PT

10X Wracks – 1X Liquifier Gun – 110 PT

10X Wracks – 1X Liquifier Gun – 110 PT

10X Wracks – 1X Liquifier Gun – 110 PT

10X Wracks – 1X Liquifier Gun – 110 PT

8X Wracks – 80 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Haywire Blasters – 130 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Haywire Blasters – 130 PT

5X Scourges – 2X Haywire Blasters – 130 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

1995 PTS
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 04 2013, 20:35

i like that list!
makes me wanna give it a try. ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 05 2013, 11:16

i like it!!! i love grots, i would try and loose some points to give the grots and haemes liquifiers as well as getting two liquifiers in the wrack squads. They will soften the enemy up enough so that combat isnt too hard on you, you will be going at initiative 1 if you charge into cover. Dropping the 8 man wrack squad and the stinger pistols should allow you to do this.
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 06 2013, 04:04

How does this list actually work you crawl the grots up and put a web way portal there and then the rest of the army comes out ... while his entire army pounds you ?

10 Wracks will do a lot more than 5 Grots .. make sure you have 2 liquifiers on each Wrack squad.

You have nothing that can kill vehicles nor deal with armies with high movement .

6 Haywire Blasters as your only non close / melee . Thats 6 24" Strength 4 shots.

Talos pain engines are pointless , you have tons of tokens already.
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 06 2013, 04:32

Talos don't hand tokens out that's chronos. And I agree with the statement above about a lack of AT. Your grots can but by the time you get there, if you get there you may have lost so many it would be futile. I like the list as wracks and grots are my faves. However, I don't feel our army can really properly run without ravagers at a minimum. Or some ranged AT at least. The lack of AI shooting attacks worries me as well. Facing nids will be an issue as poison sacks are a popular upgrade, and this list would seriously have issues against Tau I think, not to mention IG. However, great friendly list. To make it competitive, I would drop the scourges (I know you said you didn't want too) and at least 2 of the pain engines for some ravagers, and something faster to get up the board like maybe beasts or reavers to at least take the focus off your troops.

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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 06 2013, 04:45

ravagers would ruin the feeling... and I really don't want to lose my dakka engines, when I played marines with this list I destroyed his land raider turn one with the scourges Razz and then the rest of the army were scouts that my talos' took care of and the grots survived to take my portal to good places, and then my wracks went around and looked pretty as they grabbed objectives Razz

although I have been looking through and this is the new list


Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Venomblade – 50 PT
5X Grotesques – 1X Liquifier Gun – 185 PT
340 PT

Haemonculus – Venom Blade, Stinger Pistol, Webway Portal, Soul Trap – 105 PT
Aberration – Venomblade – 50 PT
5X Grotesques – 1X Liquifier Gun – 185 PT
340 PT

10X Wracks – 2X Liquifier Gun – 120 PT

10X Wracks – 2X Liquifier Gun – 120 PT

10X Wracks – 2X Liquifier Gun – 120 PT

10X Wracks – 2X Liquifier Gun – 120 PT

10X Wracks – 2X Liquifier Gun – 120 PT

10X Scourges – 4X Haywire Blasters – 260 PT

10X Scourges – 4X Haywire Blasters – 260 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

Talos Pain Engine – Twin-linked Liquifier Gun – 105 PT

2000 PTS
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeThu Jun 06 2013, 12:07

Lol, I would love to see this list play out. I think a lot would die, but that is LG madness. Good luck with it. I'm convinced that any list can beat any list, it's not the boat but the motion of the ocean Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 07 2013, 07:36

it's only.... 14 liquifiers.... 2 are twin-linked..... DAKKA DAKKA!
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PostSubject: Re: 1999 PT WWP LIST   1999 PT WWP LIST I_icon_minitimeFri Jun 07 2013, 09:42

Modeling question here...
Are you gonna convert the wracks or use the finecast ones?
50 Wracks is a lot of Wracks indeed.
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