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craigyy
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PostSubject: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeWed May 15 2013, 15:43

So I've re-worked my list a little and most importantly replaced the duke with an archon, even though his poison shots were tempting, he wasn't worth the points as i wouldnt have made use of his drugs roll.
As I said on my last list I'm not a huge fan of wyches, so wanting to remain reasonably fluffy i've left out all cult-type units.
I've worked up 2 1500 point lists, both of which are a kabal/coven mix, but each are more one sided, just wanted peoples opinions on which of the two were better.

List A:

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Archon w/ PGL, Ghostplate Armour, Shadow Field, Blaster, Venom Blade
Haemonculus w/ LG, Venom Blade

Elites
4 incubi in Venom w/ Dual SC (Archon here)
4 TB w/ Blasters in Venom w/ Dual SC

Troops
10 KW, 1 w/ SC in a Raider w/ DL, NS, SR
5 KW in Venom w/ Dual SC
8 Wracks, 1 w/ LG + Acothyst w/ Venom Blade in Raider w/ Disintegrator, Sails (Haemo here)
4 Wracks in Venom w/ Dual SC

Heavy
Ravager w/ 3 DL
Ravager w/ 3 DL
Void Raven w/ FF

Total = 1496
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List B

HQ
Archon w/ PGL, Ghostplate Armour, Shadow Field, Blaster, Venom Blade
Haemonculus w/ LG, Venom Blade

Elites
4 incubi in Venom w/ Dual SC (Archon here)
4 TB w/ Blasters in Venom w/ Dual SC
3 Grots + Aberration w/ Scissorhand in Raider w/ Disintegrator, Sails (Haemo here)

Troops
10 KW, 1 w/ SC in a Raider w/ DL, NS, SR
5 KW in Venom w/ Dual SC
4 Wracks in Venom w/ Dual SC

Heavy
Ravager w/ 3 DL, NS
Ravager w/ 3 DL, NS
Talos w/ Twin LG

Total = 1496

Let me know what you think about the lists guys and which of the 2 you prefer, thanks in advance Smile


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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeWed May 15 2013, 18:16

I like list 1 better but honestly I would consider inserting the grots unit in place of the incubi and put the archon with them (drop pgl and ghostplate and change scissors to vb).

Also if your gonna go 4 wracks might as well go with 3. Diggin the big warrior and wrack squads btw.
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 10:27

I think I'd still be over points if I did that, the grots and the voidraven are SO expensive compared to everything else in our book!
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 12:24

I also prefer list 1, but list 2 would be an interesting list.
How do you plan to deal with flyers in list 2?
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 12:46

I'd have to be more tactical and try and table my opponent before they arrive or otherwise run and hide and wait for them to fly away Wink
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 14:51

I like list A more options

Elites
4 incubi in Venom w/ Dual SC (Archon here) -> Try to get 5-6 in a raider that way if you loose 1 you dont need to make a morale check ! Is the Archon better than 3 incubi when he can be insta killed by a strength 6 attack ?
4 TB w/ Blasters in Venom w/ Dual SC -> Blasters are expensive 3 is enough .. Also no point get the extra SC the blasters will fire on armour making the SC mostly useless.

Troops
10 KW, 1 w/ SC in a Raider w/ DL, NS, SR
5 KW in Venom w/ Dual SC
4 Wracks in Venom w/ Dual SC

Why 4 not 3 ?

Heavy
Ravager w/ 3 DL
Ravager w/ 3 DL
Void Raven w/ FF

I prefer 3 Ravanger ..when you losse one you dont lose 1/2 your heavy fire power. You can move around his air and 3 Ravenger should land 1.5 hits on air anyway.. ( though its beter to ignore)
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 16:10

What would you suggest chopping to make room for more incubi?

I thought the Venom could fire at a different target to the blasterborn, this is why I gave it the additional cannon, is this not right?

I mainly made it 4 just because I had the points left over, but i'd be happy to drop it to 3 to make some room for incubi Smile

would you take all 3 ravagers with DL or one with Dissies?
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeThu May 16 2013, 16:49

Yes, the transport can fire at a different target to the troops in it. I dont have the RB with me, but its covered in the transports section. (I get asked that almost every battle)

Lances or dizzies..... Most would say lances
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PostSubject: Re: More Kabal or More Coven?   More Kabal or More Coven? I_icon_minitimeFri May 17 2013, 01:23

@Sheepy wrote:
Yes, the transport can fire at a different target to the troops in it. I dont have the RB with me, but its covered in the transports section. (I get asked that almost every battle)

Lances or dizzies..... Most would say lances

re points - cut the extras

Only if its not carying the troops.. if its carying its part of the "unit " and a unit must fire at 1 target.. You can split the trasnport of and then fire at a different target ..

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Sorry Im wrong in 6 , fire ports make it clear you can fire at different targets. Though i still think specialised rolls are better since your speed means you can get the match ups


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