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PostSubject: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun May 12 2013, 23:10

So I'm going to be doing a tourney next month that's set up very weirdly, but seemingly perfect for a DE force. Basically, you get 600 points of HQ and 600 of anything else. No FOC restrictions, no allies. HQs are the only scoring units. Here's what I'm thinking thus far:

Archon (SF, HB, ST, PGL)
Succy (HWG, Ago)
Haem (VB, LFG)
3x Grotesques (LFG)
Raider, Lance, Sails, TGL

For a nasty, triple scoring T5 deathstar that can challenge and slaughter just about any HQ unit out there...this Archon will be S10, T5 in no time, starting life with FNP and FC Twisted Evil

3x 3 Wracks and a VB/LFG haem in Venoms with 2x SC

Ravager with NS

and, just for the lulz, the Baron.

1200 on the nose.

What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun May 12 2013, 23:32

Actually, on further thought, since the Archon will be reduced to T3 in challenges, I think he'll take a CF and Ghostplate instead of the SF. Between his initiative and the CF bump, hopefully he'll never even need to test out the Ghostplate.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeTue May 14 2013, 03:35

What about vect, 2 archons, and 3 grots on the dias of destruction? This is about the only format that I see this(the dias) as possibly being useful.

AV 13 into charge range, dismount, and you have 1 evil deathstar, or 3 characters capable of splitting up and charging 3 units independently. Since you know the opponent is going to have a lot of ICs too, they could split off, each charge and challenge. With the 2+ from a shadow field as opposed to clone field and GP, you wouldn't have to worry about overwatch too much, which means they get into CC to challenge.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeWed May 15 2013, 22:35

See, I considered Vect, but as the list stands I can get 6 scoring HQ choices, the ability to damage just about anyone, tools to handle 2+ armor, MEQ, and high T characters (with Huskblade, Agonizer, and Venom Blade) and the Grotesques or Wracks to soak overwatch. I also have no Dais, and while my local is good about proxying, it has to be visually distinct, meaning I couldn't just use a regular Ravager. Plus that would mean no Wracks, and no Venoms. Thanks for the input though!

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeFri May 24 2013, 03:27

I've thought out several variants of this list, but I keep landing back on my original idea. Anyone have any thoughts or insight about changes that might behoove me?

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeFri May 24 2013, 04:13

@Tony Spectacular wrote:
So I'm going to be doing a tourney next month that's set up very weirdly, but seemingly perfect for a DE force. Basically, you get 600 points of HQ and 600 of anything else. No FOC restrictions, no allies. HQs are the only scoring units. Here's what I'm thinking thus far:

Archon (SF, HB, ST, PGL)
Succy (HWG, Ago)
Haem (VB, LFG)
3x Grotesques (LFG)
Raider, Lance, Sails, TGL

For a nasty, triple scoring T5 deathstar that can challenge and slaughter just about any HQ unit out there...this Archon will be S10, T5 in no time, starting life with FNP and FC Twisted Evil



What do you think?

ermm, perhaps i missed something but that is 500 pts excluding Baron(to account for normal FOC asuming you still need one) if you include him it is 605

also are the 600 extra(in addition to the 1200) or included(meaning 50% is HQ)
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeFri May 24 2013, 22:24

600 for hq, 600 for anything else. No FOC.

And oops...looks like I did make some math mistakes. I'll revise and brb...

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeFri May 24 2013, 22:30

Ok, after some checking...

Same Archon, Baron, naked Haem, Succy as above.
3x Grots, Ab with FG
Raider, dissie, sails

3x 3x Wracks with Haem with VB, LFG
Venom
2x SC

Ravager
NS

That should be 600 in HQ, 600 in everything else.

I still feel that I have AI, AP2, AP3, high T, high I, and all manner of challenges accounted for. Hopefully AT as well, as I can't imagine much firepower headed toward the Ravager unless enough is already dead for it not to matter much to me anyway.

I believe that all 3 rounds are going to have one static central objective, with the normal 3 bonus points in play.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSat May 25 2013, 00:49

@Tony Spectacular wrote:
Ok, after some checking...

Same Archon, Baron, naked Haem, Succy as above.
3x Grots, Ab with FG
Raider, dissie, sails

3x 3x Wracks with Haem with VB, LFG
Venom
2x SC

Ravager
NS

That should be 600 in HQ, 600 in everything else.

I still feel that I have AI, AP2, AP3, high T, high I, and all manner of challenges accounted for. Hopefully AT as well, as I can't imagine much firepower headed toward the Ravager unless enough is already dead for it not to matter much to me anyway.

I believe that all 3 rounds are going to have one static central objective, with the normal 3 bonus points in play.

archon w Husk Blade, PGL, Ghost Plate, and Clone Field - 150
Succubus w Agro & nade - 90
haeme - 50
Baron - 105
2x grots, 1x aberration w gauntlet in raider with sails - 200

all = 595 ... add a venom blade to haeme and you will be good

in regards to everything else it looks good

~ EDIT: looks like it would be a phun tourney, good luck
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSat May 25 2013, 01:17

The grots count in the 'everything else' category. The other 3 Haems (65 each) come to 205. The Grots + Raider + Wracks + 3 Venoms + Ravager come to 600.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSat May 25 2013, 04:43

ah, so retinues do not count in this(with grots to be used as body guard) mk, so revised math

HQ: 600 pts
archon w Husk Blade, Ghost Plate, Soul trap, Clone Field, PGL -- 160(for got the trap in my last post)
succubus w agro and nade -- 90
3x haeme w venom blade and liquifire(65 each) -- 195
1x haeme w nothing -- 50
Baron --105

everything else: 610?
2x Grots w gun 1x aberration w gauntlet in raider w sails and disse -- 210
3x wracks in venom + extra cannon -- 95
3x wracks in venom + extra cannon -- 95
3x wracks in venom + extra cannon -- 95
ravager w Nshield -- 115

Total: 1210
(using army builder to calculate pts for this, i don't know if i missed something but it looks(from this list that i have) like the Nshield is taking you over?)

(i think that was the gear you wanted in first post)

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSat May 25 2013, 16:27

I nixed the LFG on the Grot.

Yeah, retinue counts toward the 'everything else' category.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun May 26 2013, 10:18

Have you thought about running a court? They do come from the HQ section of the codex.

I would run

Archon, huskblade, soul trap, PGL, haywire grenades, drugs, shadow field.
Haeme, LG, VB
Court, 3 x sslyth, 1 one of all the others, plus tantalus as dedicated transport.
3 x 3 wracks with double cannon venoms
3 x Ravagers with DL's

That's makes it bang on 1200, will give you plenty of anti-tank, plenty of poison, and 12 AP2 s5 shots will make a mess of any HQ's you shoot at Wink
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeTue May 28 2013, 06:37

Even if I had Court models, I kind of doubt that they'd count, as although they do come from the HQ section, I don't think that they actually count as HQ choices. Plus, not being ICs, they would limit me to two scoring units.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 11:09

Sooo, with Eldar having arrived, I've switched up my list for more shenanigans!

New and improved:

Archon (huskblade, VB, soul trap, PGL, HWG, drugs, shadow field)
Succubus (HWG, agonizer)
Naked Haem
3x Grots (LFG, Aberration with VB)
Raider (Dissie, Sails, Grisly Trophies (just because I had 5 points to kill))

Farseer (Jetbike, Mantle)

2x 3x Wracks + Haem (VB, LFG)
Venom (2x SC)

2x Ravagers (I always use NS, but on a 4x4 table it seems silly)


The 2+ rerollable cover, 3+ armor, 4++ jetbike SCORING ( cheers) buff dispenser changes everything for me. Rerolling my Lances, esp against flyers? Prescience on my CC unit? Potentially rerolling my 2++ on the Archon? I think I'm taking first on this one. I especially look forward to rerolling hits from the Venom against a Flyrant Twisted Evil

Any thoughts? I always appreciate TDC's input.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 12:50

Didn't you say "no allies"? That would mean no CWE units.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 13:17

Ah, right. Sorry. They decided to allow allies after all. Here is a link to the full rules for the event.

So, given that allies are kosher, what do you think?

I was actually thinking about subbing the Grotesques for Wraithguard, but I think I want the transport more than the T6/3+.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 16:26

Fortune would be good but, what about the biomancy powers? Some of them would work well. Archon with EW? Yes please.
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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 16:29

Sure would, but farseer gets runes of fate, telepathy, and divination.

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PostSubject: Re: 1200 list for special rules tourney   1200 list for special rules tourney I_icon_minitimeSun Jun 16 2013, 16:39

Fair enough. You'd have thought they'd be able to take biomancy. Do any of the others give a fortune type effect? Don't have the brb with me.
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