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PostSubject: Re: Can you get a venom with a 10 man squad?   Can you get a venom with a 10 man squad? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 12 2013, 13:17

It looks black and white to me.

DE Codex pg 91: ' . . if the number of models in the unit is higher than the TRANSPORT CAPACITY of the vehicle.'

BRB pg 35, Bulky: 'Bulky models count as two models for the purposes of TRANSPORT CAPACITY.'

Basically, when you are determining the number of models in a unit, for Transport Capacity purposes, a Bulky model is treated as two.



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Ok, well here's how I could see the argument going (not that I'm committed to it so, as I say, probably not worth having):

p. 91 simply refers to the number of models in the unit, not the number of models in the unit for purposes of transport capacity. True, it then compares this number to the transport capacity of the transport, but that doesn't mean that the number originally referred to is the number-for-transport-purposes.

If someone points to the unit of six Grots and says 'how many models in that unit?' the natural reply is 'six' not 'it depends for what purpose you ask'. Six (the number of models) is not more than ten (transport capacity), so - the argument goes - they can take the Raider.

Thus, being Bulky means each Grot takes up the space of two models if they get in the Raider, but it doesn't mean that they count as a unit of 12 for purposes of whether they can take a dedicated transport in the first place.

As I said at the outset, this probably isn't the intention; I never questioned the RAI. But if the intention was that units can't take a vehicle that they can't fit in, then an alternative wording could have made this clearer or more explicit. RAW do seem to leave scope for someone to argue this to me.

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Deldar codex is cut an dry.
Pages 91 and 39.

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PostSubject: Re: Can you get a venom with a 10 man squad?   Can you get a venom with a 10 man squad? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon May 13 2013, 10:05

@Ben_S: RAW is also covered. You mixed RAI and RAW when you started talking about 'natural reply'. It doesn't matter what your natural reply in the real world would be. When discussing RAW you are talking about a different world, not the real one. Sounds a bit silly I know, but all these RAW discussions are silly really (that's why I love them).

And boxed into that world Dra'al Nacht gave you the exact answer. In WH 40k's RAW world you'd count bulky models als 2 when considering buying transport.

Hope this helps to clear things up.

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