- @Deamon wrote:
- It's D3 Haywire hit and 1 normal S7 hit that may result in a glance or a pen. At least that's how I see it.
That's the thing exactly, I do admit you need some luck, but it can inflict pretty massive damage
Haywire mode for small tanks, in case you have several next to eachother, but otherwise you've got the value of the Strength itself to inflict damage.
With a lot of luck you can touch 2 vehicles, if they're armor 10 or 11 , the S5 can damage it and you've got the haywire damage after, meaning 4 possible damage points. it's a 5" blast, don't forget it guys. It's a big blast, it's not impossible to hit 3 vehicles with some insane luck.
Same with Kill shock mode, S7 more than enough to damage quite a lot of tanks, then you've got 3 possible damage rolls, again make 4.
Remember the Ravager has only 3 shots, I don't think I have to fight anyone to agree that these do miss.
In reality the Reaper performs something close what a ravager does, but with several you feel ithe difference a lot more.
Having several, you do feel the extra damage more, that's why they're better in pairs or even triple. 12 damage shots, compared to 9
When I said overpowered, I wasn't really saying they're more overpowered than our ravagers, the fact is, both these vehicles are overpowered. With luck, this guy can inflict more damage than a ravager though.
BTW something you guys are horribly underestimating is the haywire, which fails only on a 1 roll. this is a very big deal. Those 3 DL fail because, after having to hit, you haveto roll to wound, with haywire this is not a big deal.
The glancing hits aren't much of a problem, seeing the sheer amount of glancing hits you can inflict, you can expect a lot of crippled enemy vehicles. You don't destroy them, but who cares if a transport can't move it's screwed, if a heavy support has no guns it serves no prupose either.
- @Sky Serpent wrote:
- I think if they were overpowered then people would be actually running them in any competitive sense.
Who here runs them over the humble Ravager?
- @wanderingblade wrote:
- You know, I've never come across the Reaper... tell me moar?
This is very weird, it's quite common, most people who own one, got it for the fun, but it works, the proof, when they have one, they will often use it. Take the old FW raven flyer, a nice bunch of people owned/own it, but nobody ever bothered to bring it, unless it was apoc and even then... With the reaper, you've got 0 doubts.
The major reason why it is a commonly owned vehicle is because it's cheap. (yes it's cheap, if you want to complain about prices, leave GW, check out the new bigger tau suits, are those cheap? Not really)
It is seen in competition, less I admit, but if used competitively, I've seen them in pairs mostly, like you say, most hurtful vs an imperial guard
Google the Tantalus and the reaper, both are quite common. I own the old FW flyers, the Raven and the weird Razorwing, if you googled the FW Razorwing, you used to find only 2 models online besides mine. You did find a lot more ravens, but still nothing compared to how many tantalus and reapers you find and that's not counting everyone that doesn't even bother posting theirs online.
Quite a few people play at warhammer world, either regularly or from time to time. If you're a regular at warahmmer world and you play dark eldar, it's pretty safe to assume you've got both models, since you can order those right there. Same with some american retailers, I know several american selling GW shops (non official ones) that also allow you to order FW models for free ,no transport charge, just order and pay the model only.
Usually when you stick to the same group of peoeple you don't see too many Forgeworlds, however if you start playing in bigger cumminities, go to different cities to play tournaments, you start becoming quite familiar with forgeworld models and that's when you usually finally get to see a reaper in real, just so many dark eldar players, someone is bound to have one.
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- you are better off with Haywire blasters in scourges, on a slot arguement if nothing else.
5 scourges with 2 haywires, less damage potential, S4, shorter range, very expensive individual, very fragile, even with the better armor. Like it or not, slower than a skimmer. In reality the fragility will be the problem. You can complain all you want about our 10/10/10 skimmers, but they're still vehicles, who are tough to kill with average luck. A ravager can survive an entire battle with some luck, give scourges all the luck in the world, they will be killed no matter what. They have big guns, big threat, easy to kill, any enemy will be happy to shoot them down.
On the more expensive, nobody really cares, check out how expensive a trueborn squad equiped to work as anti tank is. check out warriors equiped anti tank, compared to our humble ravager. Check out the flyers, more expensive, nobobdy complains, they also have 1 less DL.
The extra points don't really bother anyone, but in short, the Reaper perform close to the ravager, it's a nice replacement, certainly worth buying. It's not that expensive for a FW model. It does have more damage potential. The model itself is a reason alone to use it, it's awesome, admit it.