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PostSubject: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2013 11:32 am

Hi everyone, I am a new member to this website, and was wondering if any of you have used the double FoC yet? I just received the go ahead at my local gaming club to use it, I believe my two other nids players and an ork player will be utilizing the double FoC. If you have used the Double FoC with Dark Eldar please let me know, with my coven army I plan to field something ridiculous like 4 talos and 2 cronos.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2013 12:24 pm

I have used it several times, but mostly with other armies (my RG relies on it heavily)

overall its not as bad as people make it out, but we can pull some cheese with it (6 ravagers and 12 troop venoms comes to mind) but overall I see no problem with it, people just dont like change.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2013 1:06 pm

Yea 18 dark lance shots would ruin any army lol. Since I play a coven list I was going with all talos and cronos, which would be really intimidating to an opponent, not to mention hard to get rid of.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2013 3:17 pm

The double FOC is amazing Twisted Evil 6 ravagers is nasty!

I normally take vect as one of my HQ's at this points level he greatly increases the chance of going first.

If I take vect now a friend of mine let's me go first so he can react to my deployment, rather than being scuppered by me stealing the initiative.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 26, 2013 7:15 pm

That is down right wrong, atleast I give people a chance with 6 taloi. I am mainly a coven list player the most I use kalabite units for is auxiliary and anti tank.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2013 1:10 am

I've seen it used to great effect once by a player who decided to max out the number of Venoms he could take in a single list at 2K points. I think he had somewhere around a dozen or so Venoms zipping around the board destroying everything in sight with blaster shots.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2013 1:29 am

It's not wrong, your opponent can do the same thing. Facing 6 annihilation barges is interesting!
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2013 1:49 am

Yeah, 12 venom squads are quite scary, they also come in at 125 a piece so you can still fit ravagers in.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2013 2:31 am

I really enjoy the double force org, since it lets me uncramp all of those HQs and heavy support choices.

It's nice fielding two Taloses, a Cronos, two Ravagers, and a Razorwing Jet. As well as two archons, a succubus, and two to three haemies.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 28, 2013 7:12 am

I've ran vect and 3 archons with husk blades before, tore the nids to pieces.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 29, 2013 11:00 am

I have played with 2 FoC, 12 18 venoms and 6 ravagers, was pretty fun but as I won games in the tournament I started coming up against 15+ necron flyer lists, 6 helldrake lists.

And hell son, 6 helldrakes? 6 vehicles probably dead just from VS on movement!
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 29, 2013 11:06 am

I forgot about those hell turkeys, to be honest we only have a handful of chaos players in my meta so I do see them quite often. I have played the necron flyer list, and I personally think it was the biggest crap job GW ever did. Even with the new codex's coming out most armies still can only deal with a minor detachment of flyers, and to deal with that many flyers even when not using the double foc an opponent has to dedicate every unit in his list to flyers, which mean he probably wont beat any other army but the necron flyer list.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 29, 2013 12:03 pm

I Played 2 dual force org lists.

List 1 was standard-
11x troops in venoms
6 ravagers

list 2 was coven

urien, grots, wracks and 6 talos


List 1 went undefeated, and never really had a challenge.

list 2 also went undefeated, but was MUCH much harder to play. Longfangs make talos cry.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeMon Apr 29, 2013 4:46 pm

@Skulnbonz wrote:
I Played 2 dual force org lists.

List 1 was standard-
11x troops in venoms
6 ravagers

list 2 was coven

urien, grots, wracks and 6 talos


List 1 went undefeated, and never really had a challenge.

list 2 also went undefeated, but was MUCH much harder to play. Longfangs make talos cry.

Could you please post list 2 as I am a coven list player I would love to see how you have used the double FoC, I have a list made up for 2000 points, but I am currently wondering due to the lack of ranged anti-tank how effective this list will end up being.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeWed May 01, 2013 7:23 am

here is the gist of it...

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HQ: Urien Rakarth (1#, 190 pts)
Urien Rakarth 190
Elite: Grotesques (10#, 435 pts)
9x Grotesques 435
Aberration [65]
Troops: Wracks (10#, 135 pts)
9x Wracks 135
Acothyst [25]
Troops: Wracks (10#, 135 pts)
9x Wracks 135
Acothyst [25]
Troops: Wracks (7#, 95 pts)
6x Wracks 95
Acothyst [25]
Troops: Wracks (6#, 80 pts)
5x Wracks 80
Acothyst [20]
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
Heavy Support: Talos Pain Engine (1#, 130 pts)
Talos Pain Engine 130
HQ: Haemonculus (1#, 65 pts)
Haemonculus 65
: Aegis Defence Lines (2#, 85 pts)
Aegis Defence Lines 85
Gun Emplacement [35]

max liquifiers, talos has twin linked haywire (mostly for flyers) and chain flails, venom blades across the board. groth champ has scisorhands, and all grots are base str 6.

The list is designed to just be a tough wall of death moving at the opponent. they will take some things out, but when you get to them, it is all over but the crying.

Tips:
Urien is great in challenges. Also, make sure the grots are fearless (impossible not to get with the extra D3 pain tokens from urien). If you can, make a wrack unit fearless as well and have them man the lascannon. they cant go to ground, but a 4+/5+ is not too shabby!

The grots... just the grots alone put out 43 str 7 attacks on a charge.
43 str 7.
Ouch!

the talos average 6 str 7 attacks each (4+1 for charge + 1 for xtra ccw) but most times will give you more due to the "roll 2 dice pick the highest". Also remember that smash is based off BASIC attacks, then you add. so if you roll a "1", you get 3 str 10 attacks that reroll armor pen. Not to mention the free hammer of wrath hit.

So, while the enemy is panicing over all the meaty units of death... they ignore your wracks who are flamering and taking objectives.


At least, that is how I played it.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeThu May 02, 2013 7:23 pm

That is a lot of meat I am sure that only the most shooty armies could handle all that madness. What is your record with that list and how has it performed, because footdar is such a thing of the past. I also would like to know the armies you face with this force.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeThu May 02, 2013 10:49 pm

That's a cool list skulnbonz, the only tough matchup I can see is space wolves and missile spam long fangs, which would be his best bet to deal with the talos' but the grotesques would have to be handled by grey hunters which even with plasma guns will leave some alive to throw the grey hunters like rag dolls in assault, I've always been tempted with that kind of list because of target saturation which is what this game is all about and how I went undefeated for a year with my 5th Ed daemons
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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri May 03, 2013 3:01 am

I havnt really made a double FOC list as 99% of my matches is 1850 and 1750pts. But would be cool to try and make a competitive 2500pts list, but I dont know where I would start, its the balance between units that are going to be harder to find.

But that depends on competitive vs friendly ofcourse, and I dont know what other armys bring to the table at that point level aswell, but ofcourse 12 Venoms would be AWSOME

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4x 3xBlasterborn in Dual SC Venom
6x 5xWarrior with blaster in Dual SC Venom
1x 3x Wrack in Dual SC venom
1x 5x Wrack w/LG in Dual SC Venom
3xBeastmaster w/5xKhymera and 4x Razrowingflock
6xRavager

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PostSubject: Re: Dark Eldar Double FoC   Dark Eldar Double FoC I_icon_minitimeFri May 03, 2013 10:09 am

I was personally thinking about doing a list somewhat like this myself, I wonder if I can get about 20 grots in my army with 4 squads of wracks. I think this list might be possible, but I will have to see.
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