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martycore
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PostSubject: help! 1500pt lists in 6th!   help! 1500pt lists in 6th! I_icon_minitimeThu Mar 14 2013, 15:51

Archon
Agoniser
Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

3 Kabalite Trueborn
3 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

15 wyches
Haywire Grenades
Hekatrix
Agoniser

10 Warriors
Splinter Cannon
Raider
Splinter Racks

Razorwing Jetfighter

Ravager

ELDAR ALLIED FORCE

Farseer
Runes of Warding
Runes of Witnessing
Spirit Stones
Doom
Fortune
Singing Spear

10 Wraithguard
Warlock
Conceal



what do i need to add/ change to make it work. i want to keep the list revolving around the 10 wraithguard and wyches...
havent plyed in 6th yet so help!
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PostSubject: Re: help! 1500pt lists in 6th!   help! 1500pt lists in 6th! I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 15 2013, 16:13

Well for starters your list currently isn't legal as you need to add an Eldar troop choice (wratihguard are elite)

The cheapest way to do that is 3 guardian jetbikes with no upgrades (66 points). They won't do much for you, but give you some manoevreability and possible late game objective claiming/contesting. I would also add the ghosthelm to your farseer.

I would drop at least 5 of the wyches and put them in a raider. You need the shell around yourself to get them into combat. Wyches on foot get ripped apart in firing combat. To be honest, you probably want to drop the wyche unit to about 8 so that you can put your Archon and your haemonculus in the raider with them.

Because you're only playing 1500 points, and sinking a bunch into the wrathguard, you should consider dropping the razorwing in favour of a second ravager. That give you a chunk of points to invest in other areas. With those points, you should be sure to get nightshields for your vehicles (the number of times that handly little gadget has saved me is huge)

I'm assuming you're going to deploy the farseer with the wraithguard. You may not need the warlock with the farseer already in the unit(so feel free to drop it if you need the points based on my other suggestions)


That's my initial thoughts anyway.

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PostSubject: Re: help! 1500pt lists in 6th!   help! 1500pt lists in 6th! I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 15 2013, 19:41

I'm assuming he's missing a listing of a spiritseer upgrade on the warlock. 10 + a spiritseer-lock makes the wraithguard troops. I've recently started mixing in this ally unit with my foot based list. I've been revolving around the wraithguard and 6-10 grotesques, a sort of life and death coven list, though it's usually 1750 so a bit more wiggle room.

The fortuned wraithguard are a really tough unit to kill, but then you invest alot of points into making that single unit/detatchment hard to kill. If you opt for book powers on the farseer, he could potentially buff the wyches as well, (cover saves, invulns, rerolls in CC.) I think that will be the important thing if you want to be using 15 wyches on foot, they will need all the support they can get. You might be able to mitigate that some by splitting into 2 squads in raiders(or a Tantalus if your local group is ok with FW). But I'll assume you are set on wyches on foot.

I don't quite know how the army is supposed to synergize, so I'll relate what I try and do with my core units. The goal is to try and get the big tough units across the table to threaten the opponents objective in their deployment zone. Ideally on a flank, this is usually preceded by a fast moving harassment unit trying to penetrate deep on the other flank (beasts and reavers work well for this, both can be fairly durable and fast).

I think that is the missing component here, all the units outside the core wyches and wraithguard don't draw any fire, and even if they did, they aren't durable enough to take much. The Venom/blasterborn and Raider/Warriors are both mid-range, so will probably advance just ahead of the core? That means they will be fairly easily focused down. If they can manage any shots on the wyches outside of cover, they will all be dead pretty quick. Leaving your opponent only having to deal with a Razorwing, Ravager, the the Wraithguard/IC group to deal with.
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PostSubject: Re: help! 1500pt lists in 6th!   help! 1500pt lists in 6th! I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 16 2013, 18:54

sweet

yeah i forgot the spiritseer upgrade!

Archon
Agoniser
Shadowfield

Haemonculus
Liquifier Gun

4 Kabalite Trueborn
4 Blasters
Venom
Splinter Cannon

3 Wracks
Venom
Splinter Cannon

5 Wyches
Haywire
Raider

8 Wyches
Hekatrix
Agoniser
Raider

Ravager

Ravager

ELDAR ALLIED FORCE

Farseer
Runes of Warding
Runes of Witnessing
Spirit Stones
Doom
Fortune

10 Wraithguard
Warlock
Conceal
Spiritseer

new list taking into consideration what's been said... idea is to take out armour in my first turn, then sweep up with the guard and wyches /w archon

venoms add weight of fire, hitting doomed infantry as the guard slog up the field, guard don't die... aim to hold the mid objectives with the guard, the opposing objectives with the archons wyches and the 5 haywire wyches (if they survive) and flit the wrack venom around in my own deployment zone to keep my own objectives
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