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PostSubject: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 19 2013, 11:16

Hi Dark City,

After a few games with my old list an few win ( thanks to your inputs). I thought I would try a few new units and HQ options.

I have come up with a the below list I. Any idea on how to improve or streamline the list as well as short falls or over sight would be great .

tatics/ tricks i could pull with this list could be cool. Ive also have about 130 points spare.if my maths is corret.

Warriors in raiders are to pick up objectivs late game, Wytchs are to hunt vechiles, Trueborn are firebases , reavers to soften up targets, Void Bomber to hit vechiles and beasts are to clean up any mess.

Any input or idea would be greatly appricated.

Thank you in advance.

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Baron Sathonyx 1
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Total

Troop

Kabalite Warriors 10
War Gear:
Transport: Raider w/ Dark Lance ,Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total

Kabalite Warriors 10
War Gear:
Transport: Raider w/ Dark Lance ,Night Sheilds 1
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Wyches - Void Stalkers C/D 5
War Gear: Hekatrix w/ Venon blade, Grenade Launcher, Haywaire grenades(5),

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
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Elites

Kabalite Trueborn 5
War Gear: Splinter Canon (2)

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total:

Kabalite Trueborn 5
War Gear: Splinter Canon (2)

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total:

Total



Fast Attack

Reavers CD 6
WarGear:Areana Champ, Heat Lance (2)
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BeastMaster(3) 3
Wargear
Razorwing Flock 4
Khymerae 5
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Total

Heavy Support

VoidRaven Bomer
WarGear -Void Lances (2), Void Mine (1)
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Total

Overall Total 1368


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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 19 2013, 11:25

You can only have 1 special weapon in a unit of beast masters - so you can ditch 2 of the venom blades straight up. To be honest, with a single attack, i would ditch all 3.

Second, your beast unit is illegal completely. With each master you can have 0-2 flocks, 0-1 fiends OR 0-5 khymera - so 1 type of beast per master.

I think you need to go back and re-read the codex and do the list over...

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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 19 2013, 12:00

Hmm, big oops on that .. Thanks got a lil carried away. Ill edit the list Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 19 2013, 12:52

Well, i'd like splinter cannons on the warriors.

The wyches with the grenade launcher might be bigger since they might die very quickly.
If they are meant to only kill tanks and the like, i'm not sure they even need the hekatrix upgrade at all.

Question: do you need all 5 trueborn in those units?

Maybe a 4th beastmaster with 5 more khymeraes ?

Not too experienced witj DE but i threw in my 2 cents on the matter anyhow ;-)
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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 19 2013, 22:00

Hi Thrax, that's an interesting suggestion about the true born, could save some points there. Thank. You for your thoughts. Yeah the beast pack could do with some bulking up. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 20 2013, 08:27

Just trying to help ;-)

You could try 4 trueborn. 2 splinter cannons and 2 shardcarbines, in a venom with 2splinter cannons.

That should amount to 30 poisoned shots. But i think i'd just take 3 trueborn with 2 splinter cannons.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 20 2013, 11:53

Hi again,

Thanks for your idea and corrections I've put together a new list as below, I'd like to say thanks to Irakunar Thrax and Massaen for their help and time.

Ive got 18 points spare is there much i could add ?? or should i take out the Ravager and beef up an existing unit or does someone have a better idea for the points.

I think its should play well, and with the addition of the Ravager gives me some Turn 1 AV. Guess only time will tell, thanks again dark city for your help Smile.

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Baron Sathonyx 1
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Total XXX

Troop

Kabalite Warriors 10
War Gear:
Transport: Raider w/ Dark Lance ,Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total 160

Kabalite Warriors 10
War Gear:
Transport: Raider w/ Dark Lance ,Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total 160

Wyches - Void Stalkers C/D 5
War Gear: Haywaire grenades(5),

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total: 135

Total 455

Elites

Kabalite Trueborn 3
War Gear: Splinter Canon (2)

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total: 131

Kabalite Trueborn 3
War Gear: Splinter Canon (2)

Transport: Venom: w/ Splinter Cannon upgrade, Night Sheilds 1
Sub Total: 131

Total 262



Fast Attack

Reavers CD 6
WarGear:Areana Champ, Blaster (2)
Sub Total 172


BeastMaster 4
Wargear
Razorwing Flock 4
Khymerae 10
Sub Total 228


Total 400

Heavy Support

VoidRaven Bomer
WarGear -Void Lances (2), Void Mine (1)
Sub Total XXX

Ravager
WarGear - Dark Lance x 3, NightSheilds
Sub Total 115

Total 260

Overall Total 1482

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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 20 2013, 13:23

Okay, this looks pretty good to me at least :-)

With the 18 spare points i have some suggestions, these are just options from the back of my head.

You could add hekatrix with venomblade to the wych squad to give more CC presence.

You could add a flickerfield to the voidraven so you never have to jink.

You could add shardcarbines to trueborn units.

At least there are some suggestions here. The ravager is very nice to have.

Well, hope that helps with the last chaff points.
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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 20 2013, 13:59

On first glance IMHO you lack AT. Add another Ravager with 3 DLs to fix that.

Give both the Raiders with Warriors splinter racks if you can spare the points as it seems you' ll be going gunboating there.

Give the voidraven soms bombs, or else it loses most of it's purpose and you just aswell can take another Ravager.

Other than that... Yeah I still hope you have enough AT. Don't underestimate the power of our lances to do nothing at all most of the time. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Help with list - 1500   Help with list - 1500 I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 20 2013, 15:40

Yeah, splinter racks are very good. How did i forget that...

Ravagers are very good i will admit.
Ravagers are much like sm vindicators, if one is uncertain to do the job, two most likely Will.
That said, i don't like the ravager models, so i don't field them.

So i guess it's a matter if you are going for competitive builds or the rule of cool.

All of tlronin's advice was sound advice, but keep in mind that missiles on voidravems also gets expensive very quick.
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