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Zanais
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PostSubject: Trouble with Chaos mass infantry   Trouble with Chaos mass infantry I_icon_minitimeMon Feb 04 2013, 18:17

Hello
Im going to fight Chaos soon in our local League of Planetary Empires, and would like some input as I have not played against competitice Chaos list yet. I know my opponent list and he knows mine, we can't change it so it stays at it is.

My list

Archon + agoniser, sf, blaster

Trueborn x3 + 2 blasters in venom + sc
Trueborn x3 + 2 blasters in venom + sc

Kabal Warriors x5 + blaster in venom + sc
Kabal Warriors x5 + blaster in venom + sc
Kabal Warriors x5 + blaster in venom + sc
Kabal Warriors x5 + blaster in venom + sc

Reaver jetbike x6 + 2x blaster + champ with venom blade
Reaver jetbike x6 + 2x blaster + champ with venom blade

Ravager 3 dl
Ravager 3 diss
Void Raven


His list:

Chaos Lord + term. armour, mark of nurgle, ichor blood, melta bombs, blight granades, sigil (4++ save), power axe, combi plasma

Noise marines x7+ blastmaster, 5x sonic blasters
Noise marines x7+ blastmaster, 5x sonic blasters
Terminators x5 + champ, reaper autocannon, 3x combi-melta

Cultists x 20 + champ
Cultists x 20 + champ
Cultists x 21 + champ

Havocs x8 + 4x autocannons, champ
Obliterators x3 + mark of nurgle

Aegis + Quad gun


Sincerely, I feel kinda dead, cause my whole AT is rather useless if there are no enemy vehicles Very Happy . Particulary my VoidRaven, lances shooting at infantry seems like a big waste. I suppose he will sit with everything behind Aegis and just try to shoot me out, while being covered by 2+/4++ or worst case 3+/4++. My list is all-corners and thats why im going probably to be punished vs mass infantry.

Need you help guys to decide:
- what should be my priority targets for venoms and void raven? Like are those noise marines more dangerous than 4x autocannon havocks?
- should I even bother to put bikes in reserve? Raven sadly has to stay there till turn 2 at least Crying or Very sad
- anyone tried just flatouting one flank to atack troops behind aegis line without its save?
- can oblits overwatch with heave flamers if they shot other in their previous turn?
- are bikes better just bladevaning everything or they have more chances to survive (those damned noise marines ignoring cover Evil or Very Mad ) if in melee?

thanks for all help
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Count Adhemar
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PostSubject: Re: Trouble with Chaos mass infantry   Trouble with Chaos mass infantry I_icon_minitimeMon Feb 04 2013, 20:02

@Zanais wrote:
- can oblits overwatch with heave flamers if they shot other in their previous turn?

Oblierators cannot Overwatch at all due to Slow & Purposeful

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PostSubject: Re: Trouble with Chaos mass infantry   Trouble with Chaos mass infantry I_icon_minitimeMon Feb 04 2013, 20:54

+1 to Adhemar...

Personally with your list against his, I would play the mission to win. He cant sit behind his ADL all day, and sooner or later he has to come out towards to to try and take the objectives.

Your first targets should be the quad gun (really easy to kill), then the autocannon Havocs (most shots in his army), lastly the Oblitz (arent really dangerous until they get close and can use their assault cannons). once his long range fire is basically taken care of, start picking at his squads until they get low enough, and force leadership tests. He has a ton of cultists, and with no Dark Apostle around to keep them in line, you will atleast see one squad run off the board.

As for the reavers, I would use them try to keep them safe for last turn contest, unless I can use them as bait to putt the noise marines off of something. If they can, get them into combat with the cultists, and watch them sweep the cultists in no time.

Remember though, play the objectives, and you should prevail. You have way more mobility and long range firepower than him, and should easily be able to dictate the battle

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PostSubject: Re: Trouble with Chaos mass infantry   Trouble with Chaos mass infantry I_icon_minitimeMon Feb 04 2013, 22:51

Indeed I think you're better off then he is. Sure the Anti-Tank stuff it's great vs him but then you still have targets for it. Having your DL Ravager/Void Raven pound on his Termies/Obliterators is still getting good value out of it and your Venoms will eat chunks of his army at a time. Just remember target priority (kill the most threatening stuff, ie long range stuff, first) and you should be golden.
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