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PostSubject: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 10:13

all my skimmers are behind a ruin they are being shot at by whirlwinds firing vengeance missiles the one that doesn't say "ignores cover" do my skimmers get a 4+ cover save? also do reavers have take pinning tests? Thank you
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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 11:00

Reavers do not take pinning tests as they are not eligible to go to ground. - pg 45 main rule book

Assuming the whirl wind is firing indirectly, no, you would not get cover saves as you determine the attack angle from the centre of the blast

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 11:50

Not to mention it says ignore cover Wink

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 11:57

Agreed with massaen.

@Hess wrote:
Not to mention it says ignore cover Wink

It can fire two tipes of missiles one has higher strength. PaulT specifically mentioned the one that does not ignore cover. Wink

@PaulT wrote:
firing vengeance missiles the one that doesn't say "ignores cover"

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 14:34

AFAIK, you would still get your Jink save though if you had moved, as Jink doesnt rely on intervening cover but on speed and maneuverability.

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 14:36

@Darkgreen Pirate wrote:
AFAIK, you would still get your Jink save though if you had moved, as Jink doesnt rely on intervening cover but on speed and maneuverability.

Agreed, barrage weapons don't ignore area terrain or jink saves.

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 15:24

How so do they not ignore area terrain? so jink save if they've moved what about flicker field?
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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 15:57

Flicker fields are an invulnerable save and thus you may always take it.

Barrage weapons work out cover saves based on where the centre of the blast is, so being behind cover is no help. You would still get jink against the standard missiles

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PostSubject: Re: whirlwind cover saves   whirlwind cover saves I_icon_minitimeSat Jan 19 2013, 16:08

Hits of a barrage weapon are always considered to originate from the center of the blast marker, so cover saves can only be taken, if the cover is between the model in question and said center, the model is in area terrain or has a cover save that doesn't rely on actual terrain, like jink or stealth.

Flicker fields are no cover, but invulnerable saves, so aren't negated.

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