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Aschen
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PostSubject: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeSun Jan 06 2013, 03:06

I just played in a tournament, 1000pts...and I pretty much wiped the floor with everyone except for the demons of chaos player.

My list
Haemonculus
3x Warrior squad with Blaster in Venom
1x Incubi squad in venom
1x Ravager
1x Ravenwing
1x Voidraven

His list (approximated, sorry)
2 squads of flamers of tzeeench
2 ssquads of manta ray demon things
2 squads of nurgle demons
1 herald

I have to say he pretty much systematically tore me apart. His flamers tore through my transports, and the only thing I had left were my two fliers, which couldnt do enough damage to his units to make a difference

Suggestions?
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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 14:31

flamers and screamers (the manta things) are very, very good tools now since the WD update, but they arent unbeatable. Basically DoC have a few huge weaknesses as an army in general, these are.

A: Weak Troops: Yes, I know this sounds funny, but their troops are god aweful. Their best being plaguebearers, but basically they are glorified wracks. Their job is to sit in cover on an objective and wait things out. Them and a few pink horrors are about all you see in a basic DoC list, and normally only 2~4 squads total. Since 5/6 of the basic objective require troops to win, you can easily knock out a DoC list by focusing on their troops, that means they have to contests every one of your objectives to tie.

B: Long Range AT: Yes, this is a huge problem. Their longest range AT is bolt, which is only 24". Now flying MC rules has given them some great manueverability now, but basically they still need to finish off tanks close and personal (whether its flamers with breath or screamers chargins) Keep a distance and your be fine, even if that means T2 turboing away from them to give you more ground between you and them.

C: Deployment is random: Now this can either be a boon or a curse, as it all depends on how many times you play against Daemons. Their weird deployment catches most people who dont play them off guard, and can wreck armies entirely off of T1. After you play them a few times though, your begin to see its biggest weakness, how random it is. Not only do you have to roll to even make sure you get in your prefered wave, but you also have to deepstrike everything!!! Your learn that by grouping up together, you make that DoC player make some hard choices. Does he go sucicidal with his flamers to make sure they are in range, but have a huge chance of scattering and rolling on the deepstrike mishap chart, or does he play it safe, but that means they are out of range for a turn or two. This is something I know every daemon player hates, and you can easily get into their head T1 if they make too many mistakes.

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 14:47

@Aschen wrote:
His list (approximated, sorry)
2 squads of flamers of tzeeench
2 ssquads of manta ray demon things
2 squads of nurgle demons
1 herald

Ah, the good old Daemon internet list. Let me guess, this guy has only just started playing Daemons this year?

What Shadow's Revenge says is pretty much spot on but the overpowered nature of the Screamers and Flamers makes it a very, very hard battle for any army. Good luck if you face him again.

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 18:34

This thread will help you minimize the damage the daemons can do on their first turn.

Dealing with Deepstrikers

Hope that helps. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 18:44

That certainly helps me. No one plays daemons in my area and this quasi-pro guy showed up on day and schooled me hard. There is also a mean looking drop pod army floating around the store I have yet to play. Now I know how to get him the daemon guy back and (hopefully) counter Steel Rain.

Thanks!

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 19:13

lol quasi-pro... you mean "I got on BoLS and pulled the list the intranets have been talking about for months now" Gotcha Wink Like Adhemar said... ask him how long he has been playing daemons, or if its just the 1k version of his "unbeatable list" Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Jan 07 2013, 20:17

@Shadows Revenge wrote:
lol quasi-pro... you mean "I got on BoLS and pulled the list the intranets have been talking about for months now" Gotcha Wink

Guy who routinely places top three in Seattle tournaments, tournaments elsewhere along the West Coast, and pays for a large portion of his army with winnings? Seems quasi-pro to this small town gamer Smile.

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PostSubject: Re: Vs. Demons 1000pts   Vs. Demons 1000pts I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 04 2013, 23:21

I would say turbo everything near board edges so you get better cover saves and there is a small chance of him scattering off board. Id say venom spam is most effective vs daemons.
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