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PostSubject: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 07:00

Hi all I just wanted to clarify the Smash attack as our Talos have it due to being a monstrous creature, So every attack it has ,for example you roll a 6 plus its one for charging so 7 attacks are AP 2? so an unsaved wound at AP2 would outright kill a marine correct? or you can do a "Smash" attack so for the above example you would halve the number of attacks but hit at S10? so 7 becomes... (do you round up or down?) and if your MC is attacking a vehicle it can re-roll amour pens? Have I got all that right? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 08:29

You devide by two, round up, and then you add the attack for charging.

So say your talos charged and you rolled a 3 for attacks and decided to smash. You would get 3/2 = 2 + 1(for charging) = 3 smash attacks.

Hope that helps. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 08:54

does thanks, I noticed this went into some detail about a talos in a post further down, I should search a tad more before asking I guess. So Talos cant come through the WWP? is that in FAQs? didn't notice it in the rules, bummer hey Crying or Very sad
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 09:00

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does thanks, I noticed this went into some detail about a talos in a post further down, I should search a tad more before asking I guess. So Talos cant come through the WWP? is that in FAQs? didn't notice it in the rules, bummer hey Crying or Very sad

They can come through the WWP but they, or any other unit, cannot assault on the turn they arrive which makes it a bit trickier to use well.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 09:03

@Count Adhemar wrote:

They can come through the WWP but they, or any other unit, cannot assault on the turn they arrive which makes it a bit trickier to use well.
Not that anyone would ever want to be within assault range of a webway portal last editon especially if it had talos in it. Ironically not being able to assault out of portals tends to make your opponent a lot bolder, this often leads to his units being with liquifier range when the talos do come out of the portal. Fun times. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 09:08

So the Talos stops anything else coming out of the WWP not be able to assault as it comes through? because normally units can cant they?
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 09:09

@PaulT wrote:
So the Talos stops anything else coming out of the WWP not be able to assault as it comes through? because normally units can cant they?

No, 6th edition introduced the bizarre rule that no models can assault on the turn they arrive from reserve, regardless of whether that is by Deep Striking, WWP or simply walking onto the board.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 15:23

Don't forget you can also add +1 for extra weapon (if you are so inclined) which would be after halving so on the same example a roll of 3 = 2 + 1 for charge + 1 for extra weapon.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 16:49

Actually I would argue that the bonus for a second CCW is to be added before halving the attacks for the Taloooos Smash! thing. But that's just a gut feeling. Razz

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 16:55

@Kinnay wrote:
Actually I would argue that the bonus for a second CCW is to be added before halving the attacks for the Taloooos Smash! thing. But that's just a gut feeling. Razz

They FAQed smash saying you add modifers after you half. So Mush and Seshiru have it right

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 17:18

Yep, it only halves your base attacks.
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 18:58

Awesome! Take that, gut feeling! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 11 2012, 05:09

I used this tonight to take out a Warboss and his Unit in one Assault Round. Smile

Worked beautifully!

Don't forget Hammer of Wrath at Init 7 Str. 10 too!
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 11 2012, 06:27

So a hammer of wrath is a bonus attack so a talos could, if you rolled a 6 have 6+1 for charging +1 if you didnt give him a liqufier gun so a possible 8 attacks one being S10 or halve it and all hit at S10 with the smash rule? But you would only use a S10 hit against a vehicle wouldn't you as the Tal's S7 wounds on a 2+ anyway against S4 for example. Is that all correct?
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 11 2012, 06:32

Hammer of Wrath is at Init 10 with Unmodified Str of 7, No AP.

Max Roll of 6 /2 = 3 +1 +1 from extra CCW = 5 at Str. 10 AP2.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 11 2012, 06:37

Oh right oops! but would you only use the smash S10 attack against a vehicle or an extremely tough opponent?
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 11 2012, 06:49

It is required to insta gib a Toughness 5.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 24 2013, 06:08

So what happens when you roll a 1 for attacks? Can you halve that to 0.5 then round up for 1 smash attack? This question actually came up in the last game I played. We agreed to not allow it. Did we make the right call?
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 24 2013, 09:42

@Pancakey wrote:
So what happens when you roll a 1 for attacks? Can you halve that to 0.5 then round up for 1 smash attack? This question actually came up in the last game I played. We agreed to not allow it. Did we make the right call?

If you roll a 1 for attacks you can round it up to 1 smash attack. What is even better is if you charged you would get 2 smash attacks, 1/2= 1 +1 = 2 as you add the extra attack after halving your attacks. Basically if you roll a 1 for your attacks you should always smash attack!

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 24 2013, 18:13

It did sound a bit "gamey". Glad to hear that we can always ... TALOS SMASH!!!
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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 25 2013, 08:53

If you'd be so kind, please do not necromance old topics - this one was last written at in december last year.

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PostSubject: Re: smash attack claification   smash attack claification I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 25 2013, 09:33

That is also why the additionnal CCW is pretty good IMO, even if you roll 1, you have 1/2+1+1 = 3 attacks at S10 Twisted Evil
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