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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 07 2012, 20:52

Howdy all.

My favorite Talos tactic is to have two in reserve and a unit with a webway portal on a raider. Zip the raider across the board and get right in your enemy's face, lay down the webway and bring those bad boys right into their ranks. I decimated an Imperial Guard army before they even knew what was happening.
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 07 2012, 21:05

to bad you cant assault of of the webway
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 08 2012, 13:06

@Uberwilhelm wrote:
Howdy all.

Welcome to The Dark City Uberwilhelm!

@Rauky wrote:
to bad you cant assault of of the webway

Talos don't really need to be able to assault out of web-way portals, the twinlinked-liquifier is enough of a threat that any one with any common sense would try to stay 18" away anyway add the splinter cannons and their shooting is more than enough to tare up some infantry. Not being able to assault out of portals isn't really a big deal for a T7 killing machine, it's more of a problem for our weaker units such as wyches, and hellions that can't afford to be stranded in the open. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 08 2012, 18:49

@Seshiru wrote:
@Siegfried Most people will just use the Razorwing and say it's a Void Raven but there are actually some really awesome conversion in the conversion section of this board. The only thing that I see to go on is in the Fluff section for the void raven in the codex is that it basically says it has the same body as the Razorwing with different wings and an extra gunner.

Thanks for the reply mate. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 08 2012, 19:17

I just ordered a Forgeworld Void Dragon phoenix that I'm going to be adding a modified Bright Lance Turret to to serve as my Void Raven.

Can't wait!
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 08 2012, 23:45

I will admit that the limited movement can be a pain but you can normally plan ahead to take out at least 3 tanks with good rolls, and the bomb lets you hit something on your way out if you go off board.


Real nice model Black Death, the paint job on it is soo good

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 09 2012, 07:45

Thanks Wittykid. Yes the new flyer rules have somewhat messed up our plans of universal domination, but I think we can prevail, kinda, sorta, maybe, yes, hmmm.

To Balisong, before I did my conversion I proxied my void dragon too. That's what convinced me to do the project. Good luck!

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 02:46

As Dark Eldar only/Primary I feel the Razorwing is sadly kind of mandatory unless I'm okay having 3 Vendettas/Stormravens/Night Scythes or the occasional Heldrake eat my army.

As an ally I think the Talos with Chain-flails and the TL Haywire sting is a sexy beast. It's so cheap for the fear factor it generates, especially when combined with other assault threats. Gentlemen, BEHOLD! I give you... the TALOS!

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 08:36

@Agahnim wrote:
the Talos with Chain-flails and the TL Haywire sting is a sexy beast.

I believe the Talos with twin-linked liquifier and twin-linked splinter cannon sting is far sexier. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 19:26

@Mushkilla wrote:


Talos don't really need to be able to assault out of web-way portals, the twinlinked-liquifier is enough of a threat that any one with any common sense would try to stay 18" away anyway add the splinter cannons and their shooting is more than enough to tare up some infantry. Not being able to assault out of portals isn't really a big deal for a T7 killing machine, it's more of a problem for our weaker units such as wyches, and hellions that can't afford to be stranded in the open. Smile

Very much this. I had a chance to test out my new army this weekend again the orks. I zipped a raider carrying an Incubi unit with Drahzar as my warlord. They got within 12 inches of the orks line, deployed in cover and dropped the web portal. Next round I rolled and brought in the two Talos, in cover. Next round all hell broke loose and there were dead orks everywhere. Between the Incubi unit and the two talos, it was a glorious victory.
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 21:27

so i got to ask would 2talos and a voidraven and your HQ with a web way work?
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 21:34

@Rauky wrote:
so i got to ask would 2talos and a voidraven and your HQ with a web way work?

Only you can answer that question. Try it and find out. It's not like people can tell you what does and doesn't work for you. Everyone has their own play-style and that has a big effect on what units work for them and what units don't. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 21:36

true true i like the idea of the talos and maby a unit of 20 warr or 15 wych comeing out of a web way on there side of things
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 10 2012, 22:14

I just picked up 2 talos ! Excited to try them out. Thanks for all the tips everyone.

Also added harlequins and a shadowseer, and 15 hellions (based on some recent posts in the dark city) to my fleet Smile

Can't wait to see them in action as it will be the first time I get to field them in combat!

Thanks everyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 15 2012, 08:33

-FNP changes, these are great for the talos as it now gets the "invulnerable" it always needed and it stacks with armour. Despite going from a 4+ to a 5+ this has made the talos far more survivable, as before most weapons that would shoot it would ignore it's armour and FNP.


It says in the rule book FNP which is an extra 5+ save on unsaved wounds cant be made on weapons that cause instant death so its not an invulnerable save correct?

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 15 2012, 08:37

Correct, FnP is not an invulnerable save. It's a check you make after you roll for saves which is why you get both your Armor/Cover/Invulnerable save (only one) and your FnP check. So for example an ability the negates Invulnerable saves would not negate FnP.
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 15 2012, 08:52

Oh I see, what ability would negate an invun save and not a FnP save?


and how do you take a section of someones post and quote that in your post? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 15 2012, 09:03

@PaulT wrote:
Oh I see, what ability would negate an invun save and not a FnP save?

An ability that said you may not take invulnerable saves vs its attacks but didn't otherwise negate FnP (ie didn't have Instant death on them and so on). None are coming to mind at the moment but I'm pretty sure there have been one or two abilities like that before. Stuff that ignores invulnerable is pretty rare, I was really just giving that as an example.


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and how do you take a section of someones post and quote that in your post? Smile

I just quote their entire post then edit out what I don't need.
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 15 2012, 14:46

@PaulT wrote:

It says in the rule book FNP which is an extra 5+ save on unsaved wounds cant be made on weapons that cause instant death so its not an invulnerable save correct?

The reason people call it an "invulnerable" save (note the quotation marks used to emphasise that it is similar to an invulnerable save but not an actual invulnerable save), is because the talos is T7 so FNP works against almost all attacks as it's impossible for an attack to be twice the toughness value of a talos (as stats only go up to 10) and cause instant death. So it's like an "invulnerable" save as you can take it against almost everything (the only exception being weapons with the instant death special rule). Monstrous creatures often lack a save that works against the high strength and low AP weapons that target them, in this case because of the talos having such high toughness FNP fulfils the same roll that an invulnerable save would (i.e giving you a save against weapons that ignore your armour).

Technically it's better than an invulnerable save as unlike an invulnerable it can be taking after a regular save.

This is why it's often called a pseudo invulnerable save.

Hope that helps. Smile


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absolutely thanks Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 17 2012, 16:15

@PaulT wrote:
Oh I see, what ability would negate an invun save and not a FnP save?


and how do you take a section of someones post and quote that in your post? Smile

First answer there were some long ago, but only thing I can think of recently is a vindicare assassin bullet that destorys any wargear that gives you a invul (shadowfield FTL, but it hilariously fixes Ctan Shards by making them not explode anymore)

As for the second question, there is a quote feature in the top right of the post.

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PostSubject: Re: Talos V. Razorwing   Talos V. Razorwing - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 17 2012, 17:06

it's better than an invulnerable save as far as Talos are concerned as it's in addition to they're armor/cover save, and since they have a 7 toughness they only get instant death against weapons like huskblades, etc.
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