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MalysII
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PostSubject: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 30 2012, 11:46

Guys, the models i have at the moment are:
1 Archon, (HB,ST,SF)
20 warriors (2x10 squads shredders and Splinter Cannon, Syrabite with PGL and Agoniser)
5 Scourges (Solarite, Agoniser, squad as 2 Haywire Blasters)
6 reavers (2 Heat Lances)

Edit: I need helpin getting this into a decent 600point list....

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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 30 2012, 12:13

Any chance to complement with venoms and/or raiders?
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 30 2012, 13:07

i haven't got any yet. Sad will probrably get a venom or 2 but not sure how good Raiders are
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 30 2012, 18:41

First of all, you would need some kind of transport yes, because we are not a good stand and shoot army, we need some mobility to help us.

After that, you need to think at that point level, what you need is nothing fancy but effective and basic units. That would mean a decent amount of troups and not taking too many special weapons or gadgets because the cost go up quick.

Do your play buddies allows proxies or do you have to be WYSIWYG absolutely?

Your only HQ at the moment is the Archon, I would say keep him cheap, venom blade is great yet cheap and maybe a blaster to complement a shooting squad. (80 pts for that loadout)

You are gonna want more troops than you have at the moment or vehicules to get them where they need to be and offer some protection. A 20 Warrior blob is interesting, but has next to no mobility and is only one unit so really bad to control/contest more than 1 objective. Two 10 Warrior squads are interesting, but they need their raiders, with splinter racks if possible. (160 pts per squad in a raider with splinter racks)

Now you would be sitting at 400 points with nothing too fancy, that leaves you with 200 pts to play around with. Try and go plain with the troops, no sybarite, no shredders, maybe splinter cannon, but thats about the only thing I would consider.

Also keep in mind that you would need something to bust vehicules, that means dark lances. The best way to get them is ravagers, so consider investing in some of those, they are a crazy good model for our army.

5 scourges with 2 haywire blasters could help tank busting and are at 130 pts, wich would leave you some 70 ish points + 9 points for the warrior you drop in a raider to get the Archon in.

With that you could get a 78 points to get a 3 reaver squad with heat lance, wich is REALLY fragile and doesnt really have a strong purpose. But since its the only thing that you can really use.

Without the 2 raiders at least, I dont see any way that those models can be really effective and even fill a 600 pts list without getting some useless gadgets wich are not gonna help you.

Edit: I'm gonna post the list more clearly.

DE - 600 pts

HQ

Archon /w venom blade, blaster - 80 pts

Troops

10 Warriors /w raider, splinter racks - 160 pts

9 Warriors /w raider, splinter racks - 151 pts

Fast attack

5 Scourge /w Haywire blaster - 130 pts

3 Reaver /w Heat lance - 78 pts

Total - 599 pts

This list as a good number of AI and some AA with 2 dark lance, 1 heat lance, 2 haywire blaster, 1 blaster. It is pretty much ready to take any kind of army, but I wouldn't consider it strong in any way.

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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 30 2012, 19:50

I play WYSIWYG, so I'm aiming to use the Huskblade, Soultrap syrabites, Shredders, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 01 2012, 22:04

My thoughts:
You need transports for your warriors units, do this and you will be laughing.
At the moment you have massively over upgraded your champions which is costing a lot of points and achieving almost nothing.

I propose you trade the Archons Huskblade for a Venom Blade. This will still keep roughly to WYSIWYG and the VB is a great choice at an any points level, but especially at low ones where there aren't likely to be any extremely powerful combat characters in challenges.

In both of your warriors squads you have a Sybarite with Agoniser and PGL, that's over 100pts in total spent on two models that add essentially nothing. Warriors aren't meant for combat and will most likely lose it to any actual assault troops. So spending points to make them better at combat is a waste. The defensive grenades of the PGL actually have a purpose, but it's not worth the cost to the unit and other things would be of more benefit.

Scourges are also not meant for combat and so again getting them an agoniser is pointless, they're meant to stay just within Haywire Blaster range and blow up some tanks.

So if you get rid of the Scourge champion and both warrior champs and the trade the huskblade for a venom blade, you'll save over 150pts! That's a whole extra unit of warriors! OR much more likely, 2 RAIDERS.

Raiders are perfect for this list, 2 raiders full of warriors hovering around shooting stuff to bits, get them night shields and splinter racks too if you can find more points for extra protection and awesome shooting.

Ultimately my a advice would be to remember we aren't Imperial Guard "holding the line." For us, the line is more of a squiggle and can move about all the time. Without the capacity to relocate your warriors, they'll just die in combat.

Good luck.
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 03 2012, 13:35

OK, so if i get 2 Raiders (DL'S, FF) would Mandrakes (with Nightfiend) be much use in this list, or am I better ditching them and getting Incubi/Wyches instead?
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeMon Dec 03 2012, 23:00

Mandrakes aren't really much use in any list, ever.
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PostSubject: Re: 600pt army list to take on all comers   600pt army list to take on all comers I_icon_minitimeSat Dec 08 2012, 22:23

my "buddies" i use the term loosely in the GW store i go to.... allow Proxying, but i personally prefer to WYSIWYG my army list, that way i can go "here's my list, it basically WYSIWYG appart from.... Smile"

Just purchased a troupe of Harlies with Shadowseer and Troupe Master (Power Spear) and was wondering what you thought of this
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