Dear hell how I hate it when I write a huge post and it then just disappears into the Warp when my iPad crashes... :'(
Anyway: Thanks for your help so far, guys! But I feel I should tell you a little about our campaign first. It's a narrative campaign, meaning that we use the Planetary Empires campaign rules as guidelines for our games (Manufactorums for the win!), and that our Warlords and certain worthy units gain special rules after doing especially well in a few games, or losing them, if dying too often. While I would agree with someone saying that a Defiler alone is annoying at most, the legendary Defiler of my opponent with Outflank and Hit&Run IS a pain in the buttocks. To the same extent ten CSM aren't a big deal, but you'd rethink your opinion after they shot their Bolters and Plasma Gun and Autocannon at your units - ignoring the hell out of my cover. Also he has always 150 points more than me, thanks to a Manufactorum that he has captured, so it's really 1500 vs. 1650 points.
Of course my units have some nice perks, too (as do the other players), in that I get a bonus of +3 on going first and choosing the sides, as well as having three rerolls for reserves. Also, before but this is to say that our games the game starts, I can roll three D6 and give a unit of my army a special rule for every 4+. So, our games shouldn't be considered normal.
As to the lists I've been toying around with in my head:
The Last Laugh - List A: The Giant Joke
Archon Vaas Ya'nith - 165 points
with Ghostplate Armour, Shadow Field, Combat Drugs, Soul Trap, Haywire Grenades, Husk Blade and Venom Blade. Master of Maneuvre, Legendary Fighter, Strategic Genius. This is my Warlord for the campaign and has to be played like this in every game.
10 Wraith Guardians with Conceal - 396 pointsThe Archon will join and outflank with them. >
Avatar of Khaine - 155 points
Wraithlord with Eldar missile launcher, two Flamers and a Wraithsword - 120 points
3 Taloi with twin-linked Haywire Blasters and twin-linked Liquifiers each, one of which is legendary and has Hit&Run - 3x 110 pointsThey are my five 'giants' and the main point of this list.
2x 5 Kabalite Warriors with a Blaster - 2x 60 points
3 Trueborn with two Dark Lances - 86 points
Imperial Bastion with Quad Gun - 125 pointsAlso a giant, maybe?
Total: 1497 points
The goal with this list is to overwhelm my opponent with as many T6+ units as possible. He is used to fighting my paper planes and naked dudes, so I thought I'd make him a surprise! Also, who doesn't like to have a super killy and nigh-indestructible unit flank you, while you are trying to get rid of five Monstrous Creatures and a AV14 Building full of Lances and Quad Guns and Heavy Bolters? I know I would.
The Last Laugh - List B: Witty Name Not Found
Archon Vaas Ya'nith - 165 points
4 Trueborn with four Blasters in a Venom with two Splintercannons: 173 pointsOutflanking Blasters? Hell yes!
Corsair Prince with Corsair Jetpack, Shuriken Pistol and CCW: 80 points
5 Corsairs with Corsair jetpacks, EML and Flamer: 91 pointsScoring and relentless super Lance barrage or Night Fight control or Horde annihilation? Yeeees!
2x 5 Warriors with a Blaster and a Venom with Night Shields and two Splinter Cannons each: 2x 135 points
2x 5 Wyches with Haywire Grenades and a Venom with Night Shields and two Splinter Cannons each: 2x 125 points
2x Ravager with Night Shields and three Dark Lances: 115 points
Ravager with Night Shields and three Disintegrators: 115 points
Warp Hunter: 125 points
Total: 1499 points
Here I tried to fit in a lot of Venoms and Lances and dirty Corsair tricks. Shoot, shoot and shoot is the motto!
I also had an idea for a list with as many flyers as possible, but I can't quite figure it out. Maybe you have thoughts on it?
What do you think? What would be scarier for a CSM player?