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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Oct 31 2012, 15:51

Good to know, thank you

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 01 2012, 12:29

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 01 2012, 12:49

I've found that big blobs of Hellions really help to keep Necrons from getting back up. I pile them in with enough Hellion density that they have nowhere to put their models when they get back up, so they go away even if they pass their RP/EL roll.

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Nov 01 2012, 14:57

@Eldur wrote:
As I said (maybe I didn't express myself correctly...), in order to survive the Overwatch from necron units (like warriors or worse: inmortals with tesla carbines), you should declare a charge with a sacrificial unit in the first place, just before charging with the main combat units i.e. wyches, incubi or beasts.

Did... did you just find a use for Mandrakes?

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 02 2012, 09:03

As necrons are the only army I've actually played against so far since starting any war gaming this is my general pattern of play;

First, use any long range lances to remove any vehicle threats like a doomsday ark or stalker. Their warriors only have a 24" range so you can get your vehicles in close enough to shoot and still be out of range after his movement if you have nightshields.

Secondly, if hes using wraiths or scarabs shower them with splinter shots before he gets close. Wraiths lower our initiative in close combat and scarabs have 5 attacks each on the charge and reduce our already flimsy armour for each successful hit... They must die, quickly as they both move quickly you need to deal with them straight away.

Lastly once that's all done you're pretty golden. Circle around the warriors with all your poison weapons try and take out as much as you can before charging them with close combat units.
Most Necrons HATE CC, and this is where incubi and an archon can put in some work... multiple attacks each and with ap2 weapons and the archon with his 2+ shadowfield - if you take out the whole squad at once he can't use RP so if hes using lots of small squads you just have to pick them off bit by bit and avoid as much overwatch as possible using all the tricks the others mentioned...

Thats pretty much my beginner tactics.... i've only just started playing less than a month ago mind you, but the 3 games i've played I've managed to control the board and win so I think its working ^_^
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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 13:11

is there a way to beat the following army ?? with the DE ??

1850
necron overlord

5x warriors, night scythe
5x warriors, night scythe
5x warriors, night scythe
5x warriors, night scythe
5x warriors, night scythe
5x warriors, night scythe

2 wraiths
2 wraiths
3 wraiths

doom scythe
doom scythe
doom scythe


wraiths here are only so that he will last until the scythes start flying, it is very good and competetive necron list and the only way I have thought about winning that is that I have to roll a lot of 6 and opponent a lot of 1,

BUT perhaps I am wrong and some of You can propose some good build and strategy for this flying circus of death , necron flyers are waaaaay to broken
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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 13:25

That's a pretty easy list to beat. I would hardly call a list that has a 58.33% chance of loosing automatically competitive.

Those wraiths will die really fast to a mobile army like DE. Especially if you get first turn as you get two turns to table him (the rule book FAQ specifically says your opponent loses the game on any turn where he has nothing on the board). If you go first you win simple as that, as you have two turns to kill some wraiths and an overlord. Even if you only have one turn to kill his stuff you have a reasonable chance, especially if you have reavers which he can't hide from. Also you will get to see his deployment so you should be able to get some fire power on those wraiths (not exactly the easiest models to hide).

Not to mention with all those flyers it will be hard for your opponent to manoeuvre especially if all your stuff is on his side of the board.

As long as you make sure the overlord can't be place near his resurrection marker, by surrounding it with models, then he can't even get back up.

Hope that helps. Smile

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 13:29

actually the rulebook says that the player looses if he does have anything on the table AT THE END of his turn, so in best way I have 1 turn to kill him, which due to losblockers will be near to impossible

however I would like to see any build You are going to propose against this thing
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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 13:41

Zachar is right Mush. Page 122

Quote :
likewise, if at the end of any game turn, one player has no models on the battlefield, his opponent automatically wins.

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 13:45

@Zachar wrote:
actually the rulebook says that the player looses if he does have anything on the table AT THE END of his turn, so in best way I have 1 turn to kill him, which due to losblockers will be near to impossible

Actually the Rulebook FAQ V1a says:

Q: If you leave combat airspace with all of your Flyers and have no
other models on the gaming board at the beginning of your
opponent's turn, do you automatically lose the game? (p122)
A: Yes.

So you have two turns to kill him. And he either has to drop warriors, or be very careful with what he keeps on the board. Very Happy

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however I would like to see any build You are going to propose against this thing

My regular list, with three squads of reavers seems built to kill it, even if I only have one turn, if I have two turns it's a done deal. Those wraiths are easy pain tokens. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 14:01

Ok, but I think this situation is for later game turns, when You will fly out of the board, but if not that makes me happy, I have enough venoms to kill it all : D

AND it says at the begging of the opponent turn so lets reasume

turn 1 my opponent he hides

turn 1 me i try to kill him

turn 2 my opponent he has lot of flyers (so no turn he will live and fight if he starts)

turn 1 me i try to kill him

turn 1 oponnet he praises to necron god that he is stil alive

turn 2 me I am finishing him

turn 2 opponent he has lot of flyers

so in one way there is 1 turn

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 14:20

He is still giving you first blood, a free warlord victory point and a pain token. And if he goes first then you are in a great position to contest objectives.

Look how congested this deployment zone is with only three out of four flyers on the table, and look how easy it is to manoeuvre so they can't shoot anything, because of their 18" move and 90 degree turns. Now in this game my opponent still had forces on the ground so he could afford to fly off. In a game against the list you presented he would have to spend two turns manoeuvring to even have a chance of still being able to shoot or drop his vulnerable warrior squads and giving away free pain tokens:
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Nine flyers are going to have a real hard time manoeuvring.

If all your forces are in his deployment zone then he has to come in at sharp angles like that meaning he will have to spend at least a turn repositioning after the first volley of teslacannon fire.

Hope that helps. Smile


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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 14:28

hmm I will do a bat rep with graphics, I already asked a friend that he will draw and notice what he has done on his turns and then present it here Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 09 2012, 14:36

@Zachar wrote:
hmm I will do a bat rep with graphics, I already asked a friend that he will draw and notice what he has done on his turns and then present it here Very Happy

Here's are some good places to start:

Battle Chronicler Tutorial
The Big Thread of Illustrated Battle Reports!

Looking forward to your report. Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 14 2012, 17:09

If you're still using old-fashioned incubi squad w/ Archon and Haemo... (i know this is expensive as hell)

Separate them on disembark, declare charge w/ Haemounculus. He'll ether take a shooting and die, or tie them in close combat. Then go on with your hard-hitting guys, and if there are more then 1 Lord try to engage them from the angle where one or both lords wouldn't be engaged. Sure, Incubi woudn't kill them all in single phase, but with 3+/fnp they will win hardly, and archon auto wins sweeping advance ^_^ (our minimal roll is their maximal)
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PostSubject: Re: How do DE beat necrons?   How do DE beat necrons? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed Nov 14 2012, 17:41

Razorwings are pretty disgusting against blobs. As others have said, take out their mobility first, take night shields, and kite them if you have a shooty list.
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Unfortunately, w/ Ress Orb Necrons effectively have FnP on 4+. And armor save 4+, so 3/4 of the wounds would be soaked.
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