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Blind_Baku
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 20 2012, 14:09

Generally playing against someone who is left handed in any sport, that uses hands, is a bit of a game changer! I've done some sword work against a buddy who's left handed and the only saving grace I have is foot work!
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 20 2012, 15:34

Venom Blade is better than the Huskblade against anything with huge toughness and an invul save Or anything with External Warrior
Take a Great Unclean One for example or a Wolf Lord on Thunder wolf mount with Storm Shield and Bear Saga.
In both those case you would just be choosing do I want to wound on a 6 or a 2? Since either way they are getting their full save and not going to instant death.

Even just a normal thunderwolf w/ stormshield, the 3+ invul and the 6's needed to wound makes the HuskBlade a hard sale, even more so if the model you were using it agains just had one wound

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 20 2012, 15:45

@Seshiru wrote:
Venom Blade is better than the Huskblade against anything with huge toughness and an invul save Or anything with External Warrior
Take a Great Unclean One for example or a Wolf Lord on Thunder wolf mount with Storm Shield and Bear Saga.
In both those case you would just be choosing do I want to wound on a 6 or a 2? Since either way they are getting their full save and not going to instant death.

Even just a normal thunderwolf w/ stormshield, the 3+ invul and the 6's needed to wound makes the HuskBlade a hard sale, even more so if the model you were using it agains just had one wound

I think that is why many people are advocating both. If you're willing to spend 35 points on a weapon then why not spend another 5 points for a backup?

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 20 2012, 16:03

From my french codec, I think I remember that the Huskblade does not trigger "instant death" but just removes the model from the game without any additional save when it suffers a single wound.
In this case, it should go through instant death, should it not ?

And I personnaly like having a blaster on an archon, atm I still have my agonizer on it, still need to run some tests.
And since duels are from second turn of CC and Incubi are AP2, I think I may keep the agonizer to just crush marines and things with higher toughness value.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 20 2012, 16:09

In the English Codex a Huskblade "is a power weapon that causes Instant Death..."

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I may just be wrong then, I'll check tonight when I'm home =p
EDIT : that's my bad there, it inflicts instant death in french as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 21 2012, 06:33

My new archon.

- Archon Drath Nyosian
Archon with venom blade, huskblade, haywire grenades, soul trap, SF and ghostplate. 155pts

Any other thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 21 2012, 06:44

Don't bother with the ghost plate, if the 2+ save goes most of the time your archon is going to be pushing daisies.

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PostSubject: Re: Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon?   Agoniser, huskblade and blast pistol archon? - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 21 2012, 08:26

Hmmmm. Maby I could saw off a pistol from the trigger up and than put a blade on top so that it looks like the trigger is just a brassknukles loop going around the index finger as leverage and extra grip. Cool
Nah I still like the 10pts for a 4+sv and 6+in as a small backup At the end of the day 10pts is still just 10pts.


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This one was just a clone of the above because for some reason it just didn't show up before this one for me. I thought I just forgot to press "send" and I can't delete it so just ignore it.
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You're really better off swapping the Ghostplate for Combat Drugs, they would be far more worthwhile. Mushkilla is right, if your Shadowfield drops, you are dead, 4+/6++ will not save you, in fact whatever did it probably inflicted Instant Death upon you anyway.

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@Anggul wrote:
You're really better off swapping the Ghostplate for Combat Drugs, they would be far more worthwhile. Mushkilla is right, if your Shadowfield drops, you are dead, 4+/6++ will not save you, in fact whatever did it probably inflicted Instant Death upon you anyway.

I disagree. The most likely cause of failing a 2+ shadowfield save (apart from bad luck) is torrenting with small arms. In which case the 4+ save from Ghostplate is likely to still be working. Not necessarily saying that Ghostplate is worth the cost but it's at least worth considering.

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@Count Adhemar wrote:
@Anggul wrote:
You're really better off swapping the Ghostplate for Combat Drugs, they would be far more worthwhile. Mushkilla is right, if your Shadowfield drops, you are dead, 4+/6++ will not save you, in fact whatever did it probably inflicted Instant Death upon you anyway.

I disagree. The most likely cause of failing a 2+ shadowfield save (apart from bad luck) is torrenting with small arms. In which case the 4+ save from Ghostplate is likely to still be working. Not necessarily saying that Ghostplate is worth the cost but it's at least worth considering.

If that's the reason it drops, they still only need to make you take about 4 saves after that, which is, as I'm sure we're all aware, very easy on T3 models.

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True but that's 4 saves more than they need to make you save without the Ghostplate.

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It might have been a problem in 5th, but in 6th with how you control wound allocation in CC and LOS! it's so much harder for the archon to get torrented. I also see combat drugs as a waste only, 50-66% chance of being useful depending on how much you value the pain token (again because of the shadow field it's not that useful other then for buffing the unit the archon is with) and two of those rolls are a waste: when you are already wounding on 2+ re-rolling is not a big deal (either with venom blade or S6 husk blade). That being said I like keeping HQs cheap, so maybe I'm biased. Smile

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Well this is interesting. Hmmmmmm. scratch I think I'll just keep the ghostplate backup system and add on the drugs. But they aren't as untrustworthy as you think Mushkilla. If you have the duke with you than his "contraband" rule is going to cough up a re-roll for the drugs. I belive you also get to choose the result instead of getting what you get on the second roll.
His just gonna be 165pts which is less than what I've seen alot of other archons.
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