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dominus nox
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PostSubject: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 04:58

Not sure if anyone else has noticed this but looking at the Poison USR today and it states that "In addition, if the strength of the wielder is equal to or higher than the Toughness of the victim, the wielder must re-roll failed rolls to wound."

So a model with Venom Blades, Scissorhands and the like is always going to get to re-roll against T3 and with Furious Charge T4 in the first round.
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 05:07

@dominus nox wrote:
Not sure if anyone else has noticed this but looking at the Poison USR today and it states that "In addition, if the strength of the wielder is equal to or higher than the Toughness of the victim, the wielder must re-roll failed rolls to wound."

So a model with Venom Blades, Scissorhands and the like is always going to get to re-roll against T3 and with Furious Charge T4 in the first round.
This was the same deal in 5th:it's still awesome Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 05:14

Bah, seems I was nerfing my 2-3+ poisoned weapons ALL of 5th ed Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 05:24

@dominus nox wrote:
Bah, seems I was nerfing my 2-3+ poisoned weapons ALL of 5th ed Razz

Stop that and start enjoying the awesome! Razz

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 06:04

The change is that you can use your own strength for the to wound if that would be better. I'm thinking wracks with FC hitting something with t3 only needing 3+ to wound. Is that still rerollable?
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 06:07

Yes, yes it is... it doesnt specify that in order to reroll your poison that you cannot be using your str, so unless it's faqd, dems da breaks

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 14:10

I read it that if you use your improved strength you still get to reroll.

So a Grotesque will wound a marine on 3+ rerollable.
The rule states

1. That poison wounds on a fixed number
2. That you can use your strength if it is higher
3, That if your STR is equal or higher you can reroll

Nowhere does it state that you lose the reroll if you use your higher strength.
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 00:03

So, can I conclude correctly that a coven army is the least affected by 6th? appart from WWP

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 00:58

My concern would be the lack of options to take out flyers. Same issue that Coven lists have taking out vehicles.

My coven army had 3 Talos coming out of webway. You can still do this but this means that you have no aircraft.

Perhaps 3 wracks manning an ageis defence line + quad gun would be an option. I am going to model myself a DE version using banner poles and bits from raiders and spare missiles from the razorwing kit.
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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 02:36

what I used to run was basicly 3 raiders with wracks and grots. and 3 talos out of WWP.
Than again I have the luxury of being the only one using flyers/skimmers.

I also think 6th is going to be less vehicle heavy.

is furious charge still giving initiative 5 to our wracks on turn 1 of the assault?

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PostSubject: Re: Subtle change to Poison   Subtle change to Poison I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 09:22

@BlckRven wrote:
is furious charge still giving initiative 5 to our wracks on turn 1 of the assault?

Furious Charge now only gives you the +1 Strength and if you multi (disordered) charge then you don't gain it either.
(Warhammer 40,000 6th Edition Rulebook, Special Rules, pg. 37)
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