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PostSubject: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 03 2012, 23:08

I might be asking a really silly question here but a Flyer can Zoom 36" in the movement phase and then Flat Out 36" in the shooting phase, right?

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 03 2012, 23:21

Yes, yes it does. Zoom...

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 03 2012, 23:26

That's what I love about the new rulebook, there's so many new things in there that are staring me in the face that I haven't quite picked up on yet.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 03 2012, 23:28

Yes exactly. One I'd not picked up before until I saw it mentioned elsewhere was the fact that Jump Infantry can only use their jump packs once per turn, either movement or assault. Meaning they get the 12" move or their fancy Hammer of Wrath and the rerolling charge range.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 09:06

hmm...voidravens voidmine is going to be used more often i believe. Come in, drop the bomb and zoom out before the enemy has a chance to hit.
this also means that GK will be able to drop in the troops in termi armor where they like along the path, and then zoom the stormraven out of the field to rediploy and start hitting things. Ah well..

on the jump infantry thing: that means we have a slight better chance of surviving blood angels and ravenguard i believe Smile

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 10:46

Pretty sure GKs can't do that, as you can't disembark from a flyer unless it moves at hover mode (unless you're Necrons. They cheat), and moving at hover mode makes the flyer count as a fast skimmer.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 04 2012, 12:52

they can do that, for stormraven says it can drop any unite along its path if it can teleport. What do GK have? Termi armor. What does that do? Mmm...teleport? Yep Sad

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PostSubject: Further help required re: rules   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 11:08

Hi guys,

I am new to the forums and have edn. 6 but have yet to play a game. Given the new distinction between flyers and skimmers I have looked at the GW FAQ but it does not identify which of our vehicles class as flyers or skimmers.

Can anyone advise me what is a flyer and skimmer.

I'm guessing that a RWJF is a flyer and a reaver a skimmer but I am stuck with venoms, ravagers and raiders.

Sorry if my question seems a little basic but I have also only been a DE player for 4 months after years playing Chaos (with no skimmers/flyers at all!).

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 11:25

In our codex only units, that have the supersonic rule are flyers. (Razorwing and Voidraven).
Venoms, Raiders and Ravagers are fast skimmers and Reavers are neither, but Eldar Jetbikes.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 11:53

Holy crap, 72"? That's insane.... Insanely cool! *Is keeping money apart for that Void Raven in oktober*

Void mines FTW! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 17:28

There is a reference chart on pages 410-413 that lists every vehicle's type and number of hit points.

And yes, that 72" total move means that your Void Raven can zoom in and drop its bomb in the movement phase, then Flat out back into Ongoing Reserve in the shooting phase.

Unless your opponent has guns with Interceptor, you can set up a bombing run without leaving your Void Raven vulnerable, and then bring it on the following turn in position to start using its long-range weaponry.
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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 19:18

The rules for bombs state you can't flat our aftr dropping one. You could still fly off the board and drop the bomb over a unit you pass, since the bomb is dropped during movement.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 20:19

You also can't fly off the board the turn you arrive from reserve.

Would you get cover saves from a bomb or not?

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 20:44

@Sky Serpent wrote:
I might be asking a really silly question here but a Flyer can Zoom 36" in the movement phase and then Flat Out 36" in the shooting phase, right?

I think you got it wrong there. On page 81 of the new rule book, it says

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Zoom and Flat Out
A zooming flyer that goes flat out must move forwards in a straight line between 12" to 24"

So we can only flat out 24" max. Am I right about this?
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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 22:44

I think touns you need to listen to this song by Jamiroqui... Wink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aS3UQZw-gI

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 23:11

@touns wrote:
"Zoom and Flat Out
A zooming flyer that goes flat out must move forwards in a straight line between 12" to 24"

So we can only flat out 24" max. Am I right about this?

Supersonic I believe is the answer here - the other half has the Rulebook upstairs - but yes, check Supersonic in the universal special rules.
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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 02:06

since the minimu board is 48" you cant go off board. IF(!!!) you go on a corner path, than you either cant shoot at anything or are just wasting the crafts potential to do damage with low chance of failurel Your call Sky Razz
@tons: flyers must move a minimum of 18" - as i've read
@beans: nice song Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 05:53

@dangerous beans wrote:
I think touns you need to listen to this song by Jamiroqui... Wink

y-outube.com/watch?v=1aS3UQZw-gI

I thought you were gonna send me to a virtual insanity! That would have been more for Tau or Necron. Ok so with supersonic we can flat out 36" which over rides the rule book? And do you guys know if the other flyers from the other armies are also supersonic or not?
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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 08:01

The necron ones have it, the ork ones, too, and the Stormtalon Gunship is also supersonic.
The Valkyrie, Vendetta and Stormraven aren't, afaik.

Does anyone still feel special?

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 09:01

No, I don't feel special. *snif* Crying or Very sad

Fastest army in the 40k universe my ass...

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 09:24

so now we arent the fastest army, are more expensive than ig and have cra..i mean worse saves. The only bonus we have compared to them are ws, i, and splinter. Ws, not so worth it, for if your warriors get charged, they are toast. I? Same as before, we only hit first...then what?
Splinter. Now THAT is worth something. But for almost double pts...

back on topic: we should get a FAQ entry to increase our movement speed, otherwise, we are overpriced IG with more voulnerable transports. Why do other flyers get super sonic, that should be our speciality Sad

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 09:44

@Enfernux wrote:
Why do other flyers get super sonic, that should be our speciality Sad

Well thats my gut feeling too. Again, I have to get some games in and maybe it's not a rational thought. But I don't understand why other armies have the super sonic rule. For our T3s and AV10s we were supposed to be the fastest so we could dictate the battle. Well, I don't see us being that fast at all... scratch

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 10:12

Oh, and BTW our flyers lost aerial assault, so they work like every other supersonic flyer.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 10:26

@Tiri Rana wrote:
Oh, and BTW our flyers lost aerial assault, so they work like every other supersonic flyer.

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PostSubject: Re: 72" Flyers   72" Flyers I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 11 2012, 11:39


I think it was pretty bad form of GW to not give our flyers vector dancer. That would have been sweet.
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