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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 08:24

Would you use 3-4 HQ slots at 2000-3000 point games, for example for taking Drazhar???

I'd take 3xHaemonculi+Wyches (main shock troops and tarpit units) and 1xIncubi+Drazhar (2+ save units and IC hunters) at 2000 points or less, and at 2500-3000 I'd add Lelith (more 2+ killing power) and/or my Archon (just for duels and fun Very Happy )

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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 09:28

I'd like to try drazhar even at 1500 points tbh
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 13:17

its deffinetly somthng GW will have to FAQ but essentialy its in the first 2-3 lines page 109. its dipends how you read it, one way says you get 3 HQs another says you give up one of your current slots.

guess until FAQ hits abuse it 3-5 HQs around.

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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 17:23

@forest90 wrote:
its deffinetly somthng GW will have to FAQ but essentialy its in the first 2-3 lines page 109. its dipends how you read it, one way says you get 3 HQs another says you give up one of your current slots.

guess until FAQ hits abuse it 3-5 HQs around.


Page 109 seems pretty clear to me - your Primary Detachment consists entirely of units from one Codex, and for each Primary Detachmnent in your army you may include one Fortiification and one Allied Detachment, which must consist entirely of units from a second codex.

The FOC illustration also clearly shows the allied detachment as completely distinct from the primary detachment.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeThu Jul 05 2012, 18:17

There aren't numbers in the allied detachment, while in the primary there are so i think you have to use your own slot because the allies don't give any.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 02:11

its all about perception.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Jul 06 2012, 02:18

on a side note, i think i may have found a new tactica to abuse the LOS again. vect and urien/archon.. add in preferd unit fo rthe rest but essentialy vect has a 2+ inclun and urien have clone feilds. you cant have 2 on the same chareacter but if my understanding is right. LOS comes before saves and you can "transfer" the more dangerouse wounds to the D3 voids (urien being the preferd do to his regaining wounds) and vects 2+ should negate the remaining shots. just another way to shenangian the wounds to best sout certain armors. this would probaly siut a more guns army as to drazhar whos CC but it seemd relevent to mention cause it could be don the same to avoid loosing drazhar to a volley of shooting saving his wouldns entirly for CC as he belongs.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 09 2012, 11:28

Played drazhar against a draigowing. Drazhar killed Draigo without suffering a wound... but i think those premium points could be spent better elsewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeMon Jul 09 2012, 19:10

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on a side note, i think i may have found a new tactica to abuse the LOS again.
Usually when you discover some really nice way to use some wholes in the rules do as following

1) Re-read rules.
2) Look at point сost of the unit.

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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 10 2012, 11:51

@Ereshkigal wrote:
Played drazhar against a draigowing. Drazhar killed Draigo without suffering a wound... but i think those premium points could be spent better elsewhere.

Let's do a "Today Drazhar killed..." post!!!

That points couldn't be spent better than killing Draigo!!!!

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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 10 2012, 12:12

I could have killed draigo without going into melee if i took 2 blasterborn units instead of Drazhar, and those units could do a lot better than drazhar against a plethora of targets...
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 10 2012, 14:09

1) Blaster-Venomborn costs 173 points, Drazhar cost only 230.
2) Drazhar is much more tough, also Draigo cannot look-out his attacks in challenge. Blasterborn would be happy "sniping" him through 2+ lookout and 3++ SS save.
3) Jesu, why you shouldn't take BOTH?
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 10 2012, 14:51

To take drazhar and be somewhat effective you need at least a klaivex and 3 incubi plus 1 venom or raider. The cost will increase esponentially. So
1) Drazhar unit is 488, 3 blasterborn units with venom and a haemie are 488. Yikes! Don't you think 9 lances + 36 poisoned shots are better than drazhar, a klaivex, 3 incubi and 12 poisoned shots?
2) Sniping draigo is easy because every paladin dead is good anyway, one shot one kill. You can't lookout sir after you make the saves, so if he LOS! a paladin will die (5++ is not that much), if he doesn't maybe draigo get wounded.
3) Because 1500 points are not that much. 500 points on a single unit is too much, it's better to take other options.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 10 2012, 17:21

Why i should even bother taking Incubi? Rule says he may only join Incubi units, but he is still IC and can operate alone. give him someone's Venom and let Drazhar kick ass.
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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 15 2012, 05:38

who said blasterborn can allocate hits? the gey knight player can hide him behind a wall of paladins anyway, the hits are allocated to the closest model, so they dont need the look out sir.

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PostSubject: Re: ... and they shall meet Drazhar    ... and they shall meet Drazhar  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeSun Jul 15 2012, 09:19

If you upgrade one blasterborn to a Dracon he cando precision strike. Probably not worth it since usually you're shooting at tanks, but if you're running splinterborn, paying 5 points to have a chance to allocate the hits might be good.

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@Hijallo wrote:
Why i should even bother taking Incubi? Rule says he may only join Incubi units, but he is still IC and can operate alone. give him someone's Venom and let Drazhar kick ass.

Because alone will be murdered prior to get into melee.
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