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Beriadan
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PostSubject: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeMon Jun 18 2012, 22:30

Hi, I am new to Dark Eldar and to this forum. Lookin for some input in regards to this army.

Please let me know what you think of my Wych assault army

2 Haemonculus w/ Dark Gate, and webway portals
2 squads (5ea) Wrack squads w/ 1 Acothyst each and agonizers
Mounted in 2 raiders with shock prows and flicker Fields

4 squads (10ea) Wyches w/Hekatrix with power weapon and blastpistol and haywire grenades

1 squadron (9ea) of Reavers, 3 with blasters

2ea Ravagers w/flicker field, Shock Prow, and night shields

1 Razorwing w/ monoscyth and flicker fields.

1 Lilith Hesperax

Idea of this is for haemies to roll in on raiders with wracks for escort, get right up to enemy, dismount and drop webways and darkgates, wracks to engage enemy while lilith and wyches stream through webway portals. In the meantime reavers, Ravagers, and razorwing will make life miserable for the flanks and tanks.

Let me know what you think. Thanks.

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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 00:10

Hi! I'm also a newcomer (well, registered some time ago but posted nothing), but maybe some of my ideas will be helpful.

As for me, I really don't like that blasterborn-venom-spam-cliche and currently I'm trying to make a portal-based roster. In my case, I think of my portal delivering units as a kamikaze. Their only goal is to place a portal in right place (so close to the enemy as possible, usually), and if they survive till next turn (that happens not so often) and can do some nasty things afterwards - that's really great. But I'm used to not to look for this too much. So, I take two units of wracks (4 in each) on venoms (2 cannons) with heamies with venom blades, liquifires and webway portals. Dark Gate you are using is a tricky thing for me. First, you can't shoot it on your first turn - you are deploing the portal. So, if haemonculus dies before he uses it - that would be a shame. Second, as I see it, you can take only one Gate per army, so the second haemonculus stays empty-handed - that's unfair to him! Smile

Same thing with Acothysts. I normally can't assault anything on turn one, so my wracks are just covering their master after disembarking. Acothyst's Ld is nice, but agoniser is too expensive for a unit that can possibly never reach a combat, in my opinion. Venom blade will do. And if you take unit of 5, take a liquifire gun. The thing I've learned: Never charge a space marine without pouring some tasty sauce on him Very Happy

Have you tried this shock prows on ravagers? Mine are usually shot to pieces too soon to use it.

Nine reavers could be very nice. Try turboboosting them out of portal. I used a unit of 6 with caltrops, they worked well. I guess, nine will be terrific Wink

So, these are my I-hope-in-some-way-helpful thoughts, sorry for mistakes in my English, and have a good raid! Smile
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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 00:25

Couple of questions, where in the rulebook does it say you can use only one. That is not specvified in its description, and i cant run reavers through portal, vehicles aren't allowed.

Thanks for your insights, will have to give some though to them.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 00:58

"...a model with a Webway Portal may choose to activate it instead of firing..."

You can't fire a Dark Gate and drop a portal in the same turn. However, on a positive note, Reaver Jetbikes are not Vehicles: they are Bikes, so they can come out of a Webway Portal.

If you do choose to regularly deploy the Reavers from a Portal, I recommend splitting them into 3 squads of 3. This will make them less dependant on one reserve roll.

There are a two other nitpicks I have that Beriadan didn't mention:
1. Lelith isn't as good as a Succubus for her points cost
2. Your Hekatrixes should have Agonizers, not Power Weapons. The Blast Pistols are okay, but could be dropped. Their best use is a 1/12ish chance to pop a transport, then let the Wyches assault the occupants.

You should be able to play around with the points enough to afford another squad, especially if you downgrade Lelith (note that many people use the very pretty Lelith model as a Succubus). As your Troops are full, this could be Fast Attack or Elites. Either Beastmasters or Bloodbrides would add to the assault suite. More Reavers or Trueborn could do anti-tank. Play with it and see what works.


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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 02:00

Imagicka wrote:
Couple of questions, where in the rulebook does it say you can use only one. That is not specvified in its description,
Codex pgs 60-61 Items marked with an ' * ' are only 1 per army. Dark Gate is marked.

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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 11:13

Ah, OK, sorry, was havin webway on the brain. thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 14:06

i would sincerely add: drop the prow on the ravagers, they will blow up before you can use it.
drop the blast pistols on the hekas, that frees up points also.
If you want to run a wych hq, drop lelith. She is fun, but not that fun.
Reavers, nuf said above.
Dark Gate nuf said above. And since you will only be allowed to take one, you can give the other haem liquifire gun. The other one will lose its importance the moment he shoots the dark gate.
this many unites if dice god isnt in his good mode, will come on the same turn, and then the wwps are not that fun. I had 3 in my zombie list and bairly could put out the models - wracks and parasite engines - though that also was due to terrain. but 40 wyches and 9 RJB WONT fit out of it. If the RJB come up from the board edge, than this aint no big problem...

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PostSubject: Re: 2000pt DE    2000pt DE  I_icon_minitimeTue Jun 19 2012, 14:40

CaptainBalroga wrote:
"...a model with a Webway Portal may choose to activate it instead of firing..."

You can't fire a Dark Gate and drop a portal in the same turn.

That's true, but there's no need to drop both WWPs in your first turn. You could drop one and use the dark gate, then the haemonculus that's used dark gate still has another WWP that you can try to get closer to the enemy/in a more advantageous position.

(This isn't actually to advocate using two WWPs and a dark gate, but merely to point out the possibility.)
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