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Grumpy Kwi
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PostSubject: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeWed May 09 2012, 20:30

There is a 1750 tournament next week that I am thinking of going. It is 5 game 2 day event and is looking rather like GT circuit we used to have however this is at our local gaming store and pretty cheap to enter.

I am a sucker for a themed list. Some would say just using a WWP is themed and is pretty much a disadvantage in a tournament setting just on its own. For me, the problem is not only do I want to play a WWP list but a themed list on top of that like a true Coven list. I do have some WWP lists that I think are more competitive but I can not seem to shake the ultra coolness of throwing some units out there I know nobody knows about but have a little wow factor to them.

So here is the most likely list I am thinking of playing and for all I know I will probably change my mind by the time I finish this post but here goes:

Urien Rakarth
Haemonculus, liquifier, wwp
6 Grotesques, liquifier, Aberration, Flesh Gauntlet, master haemy upgrade
8 Wracks, liquifier, Acothyst, Raider, FF, NS,
10 Wracks, 2 liquifiers
10 Wracks, 2 Liquifiers, Acothyst
10 Wracks, 2 liquifiers, Acothyst
5 Scourges, 2 heatlances
5 Scourges, 2 heatlances
3 Talos, twin-linked liquifier, twin-linked heatlance

Main method of deployment will be the Haemy and the Wracks on a Raider to start - everything else in reserve or deepstriking.

Urien's Father of Pain is going to give one token to wracks on a raider, then to the grotesques, then to the Acothyst wracks in that priority.

Urien will be attached to the Grotesques. Grotesques can switch up to be escorts if needed and Urien can go into the raider.

I have played dozens of games with Urien and I am quite comfortable with his capabilities. The Grotesques I am usually running them in squads of 3 on a raider and putting 6 on foot in the portal would be a first time.The rest of the list is quite common for me although I usually have another wrack squad mounted.

Alternative ideas is splitting the 10 wrack squad into 2, 5 wrack squad to get me the extra scoring unit. Also thinking of making the wrack squads smaller and giving the Haemy 2 wwp's.

About the tourney - it is using Bay Area Open missions which means the games will be using all 3 missions in one. 3 objectives on the board + 1 objective in each dz + killpoint all rolled into one.

The other list I was originally going to run was a Baron, hellions, wwp style list that I think is more competitive but everytime I play that list I wished I had tried Urien's.

Have been thinking of not playing at all as I fear the tourney will be very competitive like a mini-harz boyz.

Can someone tell me I am crazy, that playing a heavy themed list is going to be more depressing in this situation than not playing at all? Heck, I remember playing an all Coven theme just before 5th edition (yes, with 2 squads with the old grotesques) and I ended up just behind the DE player that spammed raiders and ravagers.

I dunno, I am a slave to theme and I am wondering if DE is not the right army for my kind of luck.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeWed May 09 2012, 23:23

I'm definitely not a tournament expert, in fact I haven't even participated in one, but i can say that you desperately need at least two wwp if you plan to run this list. Anything else is sheer madness!

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeWed May 09 2012, 23:32

Like Clazaryn, I'd be reluctant to have it all bank on a single WWP. Also 6 Grots is overkill imho.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeThu May 10 2012, 05:37

10 grots all day! XD... but yes, I would sack something and get a second WWP as well... I've been tinkering around with a WWP list and im actually looking at taking a 3rd, since when I run two, they get clogged up quickly... I like the scourges and I like the talos though... scourges always do well for me, and I suggest a deepstrike for them, rather than moving them in from the portal. TL Liquifier has served me better on the Talos than chain flails as well.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeThu May 10 2012, 06:29

Thanks for the ideas, I am really looking for someone to tell me that I am going to get my arse handed to me and it will be a very long 2 day tournament.

Lord Clazaryn wrote:
I'm definitely not a tournament expert, in fact I haven't even participated in one, but i can say that you desperately need at least two wwp if you plan to run this list. Anything else is sheer madness!

I was thinking of the 2nd wwp as well…except I was going to give it to the same Haemy! This is Sparta!

Raneth wrote:
Like Clazaryn, I'd be reluctant to have it all bank on a single WWP. Also 6 Grots is overkill imho.

Although I pretty much play all my games with a wwp I tend to find that there is usually just one that ends up being used the most anyway. Also, remember that one objective will be in my deployment zone so not all the reserves would use the portal, some will enter the game from my board edge. The portal is not a priority for the wracks, they are in no hurry to rush and get shot, they need to score. So the funny thing I do with them is make them as least accessible as possible when I need them to score. Yes, one or two of them will want to toast some monkeigh but that is what the HQ, elite, FA and heavies are for. I know wyches are always looking for a scrap but wracks can take it or leave and do quite well just camping with the fire and marshmellows.

However, I think you are right – these games will not be friendly, they will be tournament quality and I am not used to that. I suppose I have to figure that I will not always get first turn and the opponent WILL have the tools to wipe this squad out. Not sure I can add the wwp without making some serious adjustments, hmmm.

Ruke wrote:
10 grots all day! XD... but yes, I would sack something and get a second WWP as well...

Ah, a 3rd vote for the 2nd wwp – I get the hint!

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I've been tinkering around with a WWP list and im actually looking at taking a 3rd, since when I run two, they get clogged up quickly...

3rd is nice but means a 3rd haemy and escort – maybe at 2k but not at 1750

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I like the scourges and I like the talos though... scourges always do well for me, and I suggest a deepstrike for them, rather than moving them in from the portal.

Always declare them deepstriking and usually one uses the portal and the other deepstrikes.
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TL Liquifier has served me better on the Talos than chain flails as well.

Ah, a kindred spirit on the liquefier! I remember making the switch and then facing blood angels right out of the portal the very next game – haven’t looked back to chainflails ever since.

Here is the original list I first thought of using – completely different.

Baron
Haemy, liquefier, wwp
Haemy, liquefier, wwp
8 Wracks, liquifier, Acothyst, Raider, FF, NS,
10 Hellions, Helliarch, agoniser
10 Hellions, Helliarch, agoniser
10 Wyches, 2 nets, Hekatrix, agoniser, haywires
5 Scourges, 2 heatlances
5 Scourges, 2 heatlances
Talos, twin-linked liquifier, twin-linked heatlance
Ravager, 3 lances, FF, NS
Razorwing, 1 Necrotoxin, FF, NS

Tell my right brain that my left brain is correct, I can probably win more and still have some fun.

I am so confused.

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeThu May 10 2012, 07:45

I liked your first list, you just needed to drop a grot or two and a few racks a buy a haemy, wwp with a raider. Then you have two guys with portals making it far harder to alphastrike you, especially if you place both of them conservatively if going second and a more aggressive portal later in the game. Admittedly wwp lists are never competitive but you'll have some fun with this and won't be smashed too badly if you play it right and take a second wwp. Stick to the coven list, you probably won't win the tournament anyway so might as well have fun! Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: 1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament   1750 Prophets of Flesh for tournament I_icon_minitimeThu May 10 2012, 08:02

I liked your first list as well, but Clazaryn is right, WWP is not competitive , and that goes triple if you dont have many many many games of experience using it. Like I said, I've been fiddling around with a WWP list as well (See Here for a mini batrep and list). I've run mine 4 or 5 times, and by turn 3 at the latest, I've called it because if I keep going, I'll just get tabled. I've modified my list to include vect and bloodbrides, wyches, and blasterborn (sans venom), as it originally had hellions and beastmen, and it still keeps happening. Individual elements work well, but the army as a whole falls short.

My suggestion to you would be, take a venom spam army to this tournament, to be competitive, and practice a WWP list up to the next tournament so you'll have a good idea about what to and not to do.

I'll go ahead and tell you, you're short on AT, especially if you're up against guard. I suggest at least one unit of wyches w/hwg (at least a 10 man unit), and possibly some blasterborn (i've found that they're worth their weight in gold in a wwp list, to allow assualts that a unit would otherwise not get...)

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