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Old Mandrakes - the true Shadowmasters!
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New Mandrakes - their pants are made of flesh!
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I would field Mandrakes regardless, their fluff is awesome.
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Field Mandrakes? Oh, I'm sorry, I appear to be fielding Blasterborn and owning your face right now.
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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSat May 05 2012, 23:59

I would like to propose something new. Aesthetically wise, I believe that the Mandrakes from Dawn of War: Soulstorm looked far better than their current incarnation.

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 00:28

Those were based on the Old Mandrake models.

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 00:35

But they didn't have pistols and had huge blades mounted to their wrists instead of holding them. They weren't oddly proportioned either.

They were pretty much just as useless though, if detected.

Soulstorm Mandrake: http://warhammer.neoseeker.com/w/i/warhammer/thumb/c/ce/Mandrake.jpg/250px-Mandrake.jpg

Old Mandrake: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZIWudHwRxJY/TZ-1bT0c0nI/AAAAAAAAAcI/FsXx1_02rlY/s1600/IMG_2002.JPG

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 02:38

Having used the old, I think ill vote for the new in this case. Yes the deployment was awesome with the mind games. The trick is getting that pain token... the new mandrakes really benefit from it, they get a great shooting attack and FNP as well!

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 03:29

Cavash wrote:
But they didn't have pistols and had huge blades mounted to their wrists instead of holding them. They weren't oddly proportioned either.
The Old had huge blades mounted on their wrists. You should look at more than one of their models - trust me, I own the things, the ones from the game are clearly based on them.
http://kofler.dot.at/40k/units/Dark_Eldar_Mandrakes.gif

The proportioning is a matter of sculptor issue - the basic look is very much that of the Old Mandrakes.

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 07:12

Never used the old ones and will never ever use the new ones either. They slurp up points that are much better used elsewhere. Though I do love their fluff and the new models; if painted well can
look really creepy. I really did not like the old models and I actually still love most of the 3rd edition ones.
Rules-wise I have to go with old, their deployment was pretty cool.
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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 11:37

Sorry, Thor. My bad.

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 17:01

I usually use Mandrakes as extra-target in MSU list. It's very useful against Tau lists, but quite useless when I deal with Tyranides.
By the way, the new rules are better on that purpose, as they can start on the board very close from the opponent, which forces him to deal with them. The strenght 4 is a good point also.
Deployment tricks of the old ones made them charge 100% on times, so they were good at tying shooting units like Sister's heavy bolters or Space Marines Devastators. But they didn't hit hard and needed some time to prevent shooters to act.
In my opinion both are interesting but for a different goal. Nowadays, unfortunatly for Mandrakes, Blasterborns are just too amazing not to be chosen in priority.
I voted the third option, I have always fielded some Twisted Evil

Ps: old Mandrakes have been my first minis, the blister of 3, so they have a sentimental meaning for me!
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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeSun May 06 2012, 17:43

Cavash wrote:
Sorry, Thor. My bad.
No apology needed, I was just defending my stance about where the look came from.

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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeTue May 08 2012, 23:13

Shouldn't the "winner" of this be noone considering the voting?
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PostSubject: Re: Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes   Old vs. New - Battle of the Mandrakes - Page 2 I_icon_minitimeWed May 09 2012, 00:32

If you wish to count it as such, I have no problems with that.

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