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PostSubject: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 01 2012, 19:15

im a new dark eldar player as mentioned before. my models are yet to come in and now i just got wind of a tournement coming up. i need some serious hel for a couple reasons.

1) ive read the book, im reveiwing the tactica, BUT HAVE NO EXPEIENCE WITH DE.

2) its a team tournement. so i also need a partner and have yet to ask or plan.

3) my only models are a lileth hesperax and a battle force box. (1xraider, 10x wariors,10x wyches, 3x, ravagers)

the bright sides
1) its only 1000k a player, so not too many overly meched armies. but their still will be.
2) its the 14th, so i have approx 2 weeks to prepare.
3) i can get about $2-300 to spend if i need it.


somthing kinky
both players must use the SAME organisation chart. as in I olny get 1X HQ, 3X TROOPS, and we divy the reamaining elite, heavy, and FA.
or we can mix it up and he takes 2X HQ, and i take 6 Troops ect.

the challange is help me build a list for 1k and decide what to buy on a small budget, otherwise Im going with NIDS and id rather this be the virgin battles of my new army.
all help is beneficial so thank you in advance and any one that is willing to devote a little extra help just ask and ill offer my cell number for the time frames IM not online.


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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 01 2012, 19:22

Well, I believe we can help you write a list but ideally we need to know what army you'd be allying with and an idea of their list + any special missions you may be playing.

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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSun Apr 01 2012, 19:30

as mentioned i havnt asked anyone yet because i just learned about it. but my options are CHAOS marine, eldar, Blood angels, nids. my biggest hope is eldar. kind of a light and dark team up would be rather effective.

ill post when i get a partner and what their looking to feild, asap. but till then any suggestions on a base?
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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 13 2012, 13:17

3 Ravagers you say?
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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 13 2012, 15:42

i decided on a list as its tomarrow. and the reason for its build is the lack of finance. but in a practice game vs space wolves, my very first playing of DE no less. It ended in a draw. if it continued another turn or two i could probaly have tabled them. im very confident in it.

HQ- lileth
troops-9x wyches:haywires, 1xshardnet&impaler,
>raider:FF, snare, venom blades,rack.,sails

10X kabalite warriors:1xcannon;1xsybarite:ghost armor,blaster,agoniser

10X kabalite warriors:1xcannon;1xsybarite:ghost armor,blaster,agoniser
>raider:FF, snare, venom blades,rack

3xreavers:1xblaster

talos pain engine:chain flails, ccw, TLhaywire blaster

it worked beautiful in a 1K game
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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 14 2012, 01:34

If I could just point out a few things?

Some of your wargear is extraneous: Ghostplate armor won't do much on the Sybarites, nor will their Agonizers unless you hop out of your safe gunboats to get into assault- though I see one isn't in a boat so maybe they get to assault. Also, Sybarites can't take Blasters- you probably meant the Blaster to be with the Warriors. Chain snares and Envemoed Blades, while cheap, don't do a whole lot either if you are sitting back in a gunboat. Unless "ccw" for the Talos means his built-in one, you don't need to buy an additional one as Chain Flails count as your second weapon. Finally, your Wyches have no Hekatrix!

So, does your tournament have strict What You See Is What You Get rules? If not, I would strip the Sybarites of their armor and Agonizers and strip the Raiders of their Snares and Blades. Giving the Raiders Night Shields gives you more Turn 1 survivability and can let them close to rapid fire range with less fear. Then, make a Wych into a Hekatrix and give her an Agonizer- this lets the Wych unit operate independently of Lelith in case she wants to break off and assault a tasty unit of infantry by herself.

Good luck at the tourney! Go smash some face!

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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 14 2012, 06:04

In regards the list, its not bad for what you have and being new you won't have much stuff but you really need that second warrior squad in a raider. Warriors on the ground are just giving a kill point to the enemy and they will be left behind by the rest if your force. To find the points for that drop the sybarites with agonisers, warriors die so bad in combat anyway so its a waste of points. When buying some new stuff think of getting a Ravager, most dark eldar armies should have one.

@CaptainBalroga. Are you sure that Chain Flails is a second close combat weapon? I don't have my codex with me but i was under the impression that Chain flails just allowed you to re roll his attacks, not that they were a second weapon. Why would even put the option of a second ccw in if that was the case and it even costs 5 more points to do it as well! That just doesn't make sense and I'm afraid Games Workshop aren't quite that stupid...

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PostSubject: Re: SUDDEN DEATH HELP   SUDDEN DEATH HELP I_icon_minitimeSat Apr 14 2012, 13:45

to kind of break it down, some of the things wrote are from the army builder so" CCW" is an unnessacery mention but i noted it anyhow caus of the way its set up.

reason for no blood bride is im putting lilleth as the unit head. and i didnt see much advantage for upgrading one still. the veno blades were just a few points to kill off cuz alot of my local games are CC specialist. if virtualy useless he oppertunity for 1 more wound for points i cant realy use else were.

reason theirs only 1 unit of warriors in a boat is i only own 2 at the moment. and im actualy paroxyinga carnifex for the talsos.

the syrbaties are upposed to be objective holders and the little bit of invulnerable armor is better then non. previouse game i held one unit back inside terrain and walked the second just out of LOS. 2nd turn dropped lilleth and creww off and doubbled back and pickd up the second unit out of range.(i only had the battalion box and lilleth at the time so only one raider) by turn 3 i held my objective and the opposing objective with lillth and wyches. unfortunatly a group of wolf riders go in range of my kabalites in cover and assaulted them i got a few hits in but they fell non the less. the second unt flying i moved to get in range of the wolfs and hope to shoot them down. but game ended in a draw because a rhino parked on the wyches objective and the wolves were keeping my warriors at bay. talos as in route but couldnt move fast enough.

thats almost a complete tale of my first game and i intend to fall back on it as a how to play. if you folks think i should sill make some changes or flip a few things aroundby ll eans speak i have a litt while bfore the tourny thi evening.
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