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PostSubject: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 13:04

I was wondering if you guys could point me in the direction of a good set of dice. I have bought two sets of the Chessex dice and quite frankly I am tired of losing games to my dice. I fired 48 shots into a squad of space wolves last night and only HIT with 12... Multiple times. When hitting on threes average says I should be closer to 24 if not higher. I read somewhere that the reason people don't use the GW dice is due to their quality and they tend to roll ones ~24% of the time. Whether this is true or just fabricated I don't know, but I am starting to believe it :-)

I run heavy venoms and wych squads, so I would need a block of atleast 36.

Also, sorry if this is the wrong thread. I figured this could be considered tactica :-)
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:03

I actually dont know where my dice come from. Ive picked them up over the course of several Cons and Tournaments. I am very superstitious about my dice (in that everything has to be 9s, and even if I love the look of the dice, if there isnt 9 for sale, then Im not getting them) but I also believe that you are the creator of your own luck. You get out what you put into your dice. If you believe, then they shouldnt fail you. If you go into the game with a bad mood, or just think that things arent going your way, well... they wont.

I would say keep the dice and keep playing. Law of averages works out sooner or later, even with GW dice (which I swear is true as well... Ive seen so many people play with those dice, and how bad they are)

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:27

It is not in my nature to be superstitous, but even I have stopped using my GW dice a long time ago. They look neat in the display case, but not neat enough to take to the table. Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:32

M ydice haaate me , average is something I dream about , Istruggle to pass any saves and my rolls to hit and wound are abysmally poor , especially bad with lances.

Last few games have been quite a struglgle (with the dice) when my opponents dice are hot at the same time its very depressing, probability has yet to play itself out .....

I usually manage to win in the end but its such hard work constantly compensating for poor dice I often feel like the looser ...

I have chessex dice I may consider a change , my last set was chessex but they were terrible too , perhaps its just me ?

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:39

@Sorrowshard wrote:
.....I have chessex dice I may consider a change , my last set was chessex but they were terrible too , perhaps its just me ?

Actually, it may not be. Check out this vid. Colonel Lou explains the advantages and disadvantages of "precision" dice. Part 2 is there as well, they are worth the watch if the Dice Gods ever seemed to be crapping in your cornflakes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR2fxoNHIuU&feature=youtu.be

I too have Chessex dice sets (several actually) and one set just doesnt roll higher than 4's. Maybe its me, but even my opponents notice. They were purchased for another army as red ones should roll better...they don't.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:42

Might be the set I have then.

Seen those before btw, I want casino or precision dice but they are waaay expensive.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 14:58

i am still using the GW dice i got a decade ago.... they have won me a number of tournies over the years - they are coming with me to the ETC this august as well! I could not imagine playing an event without them!

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 15:30

Dice are dice. One of my buddies has presision casino dice that he rolls in a velvet box. I still beat him with my chessex dice and don't notice him rolling any better.

I've seen stats all around the interweb, just depends if you want to spend into those views, as casino dice will quickly empty your wallet.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 15:54

You could always sacrifice something for the dice gods? Seriously, I am infamous for having streaky dice (good and BAD), but only tend to notice when it goes against me. In other words-Levitas is right:dice are dice. Don't get excited about one brand of dice rolling better or worse, and definitely don't let the idea of dice hating you get into your head. You'll ruin plenty of great games if you spend the entire time thinking that your dice are going to crap out on you. No pun intended, but just roll with it.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 16:01

Oh the dice gods have always hated me. It's one of the reasons my dnd group stopped using the strict rolling of 3d6 method for stats. They got tired of me having 8s in all of my stats lol. The guys at my LGS have already noticed my luck with the dice and are already amazed at the number of ones I can achieve in a roll :-). I was just curious to see if it possibly could be the dive I use, the way I roll the dice, or just straight bad luck, (unless it's a morale check. Then I roll high!)
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 16:15

The last tournment I played the only really bad dice rolls I had was when one of my vehicles exploding doing 5 wounds to a 6 man squad. Well I need 3+ for the saves and I roll 4 ones and 1 two. I flipped the bird at my dice and throw them back in my dice bag. I wasn't going to deal what them if they were not going to be civil.
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 16:55

My dice heve a vendetta against me, i use GW dice and they HATE me. Last week i remained locked in combat for 3 rounds with my archon because i didnt hit with a single attack (in all 3 rounds) when i only needed 3's, and this was after missing with 4 dark lances on trueborn, my archons blast pistol AND my reavers heat lance =( i definitely need some better dice.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 17:49

I do agree dice are dice, however if you just cant get it out of your head that your dice are against you (and lets face it, it pretty much is in your head) maybe spending money on precision dice is the way to go. They won't roll better but if spending $70+ USD on 36 d6's as opposed to less than $10 will remove the perceived bias, then more power to you. I'd rather buy a razorwing. Smile

I harken back to advice an uncle gave me when it came to buying fishing equipment, he said " Expensive gear doesn't catch fish, but it sure catches fishermen" Same with dice.

That being said, after switching to my infamous red dice block o' doom and passing my 4th consecutive mindshackle scarab roll with the Duke (thats less than 9 on 3 dice lol) my opponent requested that during our upcoming league game I stick to only one set of dice. I had to giggle at that one, my "bad" dice got in his head Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 16 2012, 19:26

@Shadows Revenge wrote:
but I also believe that you are the creator of your own luck. You get out what you put into your dice. If you believe, then they shouldnt fail you. If you go into the game with a bad mood, or just think that things arent going your way, well... they wont.

I completely agree! When i go into games with a clear mind and a plan, my dice agree with me every time. When im getting frustrated, or generally playing in a bad mood, the dice roll against me.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

Pretty good evidance in you like the metaphysics and such.

But also keep your dice in your hand as much as possible, not to sound stupid, but i believe it puts you energy into you dice creating a bond with them. I really fail flicker fields test, and the 5+ to wound rolls are generally a 65-70% chance i wound.

I know its crazy, its less the dice and more the player.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 17 2012, 16:02

@Levitas wrote:
Dice are dice.

Quote for emphasis. I don't think it matters what dice you use. Size, color, nor font make a bit of difference. If you're superstitious you could try "baking" your dice and putting them away with the sixes all facing upward. You could also sleep with them at night. That might make them feel loved and they will perform better.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 19 2012, 14:18

One superstition that is almost a law where I play is that the dice must reflect the same color scheme of the army - that is first and foremost.

The second well known ritual is to put all the dice into a bag and stuff it into your underwear and sleep with them there overnight. I unfortunately have not done this and thus roll "1's" 50% of the time. Call me crazy but they need to buy me a drink first before I sleep with them (the dice that is).

Third is always crush one die (in front of the others) and demand they perform better. Some opt to burning one but I think a hammer crushing one into little bits is a bit safer however many things can go wrong here and thus have not done so.

My bad luck has been going on for 4 or so years and it is a well known fact that I can roll more "1's" than "6's" by simply saying the magic word, "shadowfield". Of course Murphy's Law is recursive in that yelling "Coven bikini save" does not induce the dice to roll "6's - I know, I have lived it. Oh yah, thinking out loud in telling the dice that you are rolling a "leadership check" that you are really rolling an armor save doesn't work either - tried that and bought the t-shirt and now I fail armor saves and leadership checks regularly.

I think the best advice I can give is to paint your army really well and hope you will win the award for the best painted army - did that 3 straight tournaments and it seems to make up for coming in last in battle-points when your picture is taken with the tournament winners. In fact, I remember one tournament I won the game simply because I had a fully painted army and my opponent wasn't. I was tabled off by turn 5 but since the point structure was based around the entire hobby I scored enough points with painting, basing and using more than 3 colors I beat my opponent in points (I didn't even have to play, I would auto-win no matter what happened).

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 19 2012, 14:19

@Plague wrote:
@Levitas wrote:
Dice are dice.

Quote for emphasis. I don't think it matters what dice you use. Size, color, nor font make a bit of difference. If you're superstitious you could try "baking" your dice and putting them away with the sixes all facing upward. You could also sleep with them at night. That might make them feel loved and they will perform better.
I am not sure my wife would be ok with me sleeping with my dice but I could try......they do seem to be acting out against me of late maybe they need some quailty time with me.
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 20 2012, 00:49

I tend to go with dice that match the models.

Otherwise, get a bottle of Nitromors (very strong, very nasty paint stripper), put one dice in it, and leave the box of dice next to it, and casually mention that is what happens to BAD dice. Should work wonders!
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeWed Mar 21 2012, 12:02

Just a thought , but owning/running a DE army makes you very sensitive to bad dice, the reprecussions of a fail turn or some bum rolling are mostly unavoidable and can be vry bad news, I often spend the entire rst of the game scraping back to a win from a flubbed turn.

Its not only mistakes that punish you as a DE player (though they will magnify any poor rolling)

I ahve this one friend who seems to only have 5's and 6's on his dice , he plays necrons, its horrifically tough , especially as my dice are consistently and provably below average.

I have joked about it in the past but I might just record all my rolls from a couple of games to prove a point.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeThu Mar 22 2012, 19:27

I have tons of GW dice. Hence, those I'll use, for better or worse. It helps if I sacrifice a sheep to the Dice Gods on the eve of battle, though.

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeSat Mar 24 2012, 13:06

An appropriate sacrifice to the dice gods is always a good idea, even if they don't show any specific favour. Crying or Very sad

But I will agree with Sorrowshard, playing DE does enhance the effect of "bad" dice. I use the same set for my DE and Marines, and roll relativity equally/comedic-ally for both armies. It hurts a lot more with DE.

Although as bad as my dice are, they do like to suprise me every came with the random "All our power is going into this role". Prime example being my last game when every hit against one of my raiders saw it explode and kill 90% of the squad within. And then one Hekatrix surives the explosion, the shooting from a dual SC venom and it's blaster-born passengers, only to then charge them and get smashed in the face with the blunt end of a blaster. Razz

I love my crappy dice, but then I don't "play to win" I play to have a fun and exciting game. And it's always unpredicatable with my dice...

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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2012, 10:38

i played on a tournament saturday and even though i scored 1st in my group (next saturday the tournament goes on) my blasters and dark lance rolls were miserably. in one game out of 24 shots only 3 managed to hit and only one managed to destroy a weapon and one got a dead space marine. this series had gone on over the other 2 games too.
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 26 2012, 23:44

I also find that people who believe themselves to be unlucky will only remember the bad rolls, and not necessarily any outrageous flukes.
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PostSubject: Re: Dice are failing me...    Dice are failing me...  I_icon_minitimeTue Mar 27 2012, 03:10

@Klor wrote:
I was wondering if you guys could point me in the direction of a good set of dice. I have bought two sets of the Chessex dice and quite frankly I am tired of losing games to my dice.

lol!

it is a D6 game dude. That gives you realy high chances to get wacked out dice roles. Think about it, I shoot a rapid firing rifle at point blank in real life I will hit you but in GW land I miss 1 out of every 3 times, that is just wacky but that is what makes it fun. If I knew that 32 of my 48 shots where always going to hit, then it would be boring, because I would never get those times when 48 shost hit!

I suggest you relax, buy some dice you like the look of and enjoy the wacked out odds that a D6 brings.
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