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PostSubject: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 02:21

I have an event I am going to be attending overseas - its costine me big dollars to go for the weekend but I want to go regardless

So i need your help making the harshest list possible

1850, no composition scoring, special characters are allowed. I dread to say this but - Money is no object - go nuts!

At present - here is what i am thinking

Duke Sliscus - 150
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, venom, 2 SC - 146
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, venom, 2 SC - 146
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, venom, 2 SC - 146
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC -125
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC - 125
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC - 125
5 Warriors, blaster, raider, FF - 130
5 Wyches, HWG, shard net, venom, 2 SC - 135
5 Wyches, HWG, shard net, venom, 2 SC - 135
Ravager, FF, 3 DL - 115
Ravager, FF, 3 DL - 115
Razorwing, FF, 2 DL, SC - 165

Thats 1758 total.

It packs 13 blasters, 9 dark lances, 17 splinter cannons, 10 HWG, 1 blast pistol along side assorted rifles and pistols.

The Wyches are there to deal with rifleman dreads primarily, reducing the attacks and locking it up.

That last 92 points is open to debate.

So let your cruel hearts run wild - whats the hardest list you can make? Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 03:14

Looks fine to me as it is. Since you have some points to play with, my only suggestions might be:

1) switch a wych squad into the Raider and add a Succubus with VB

2) upgrade your Razorwing missiles

3) take a second Razorwing

I would also look at some Dissies somewhere, you have plenty of Blasters that can get close easily enough with the Venoms. I prefer their volume of fire over the DL's, which I hate relying on.

With a list like this too, I'm not sure I'd worry about the FF on the Raider and use those points elsewhere.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 04:21

I would put the wychs in raiders(one by switching it and that warrior units rides) and bump their numbers. 5 does not make a very large tarpit.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 04:58

To be honest, the wyches are not intened for anything other than car parks and dreads. If the 15 odd splinter cannons can not kill the enemy infantry then i have done something wrong.

Mucking about with the list some more i now have this...

Duke Sliscus
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, venom, 2 SC
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, venom, 2 SC
3 Trueborn, 3 blasters, raider, FF
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC
5 Warriors, blaster, venom, 2 SC
9 Warriors, blaster, raider, FF
5 Wyches, HWG, hekatrix, blast pistol, shard net, venom, 2 SC
5 Wyches, HWG, hekatrix, blast pistol, shard net, venom, 2 SC
Ravager, FF, 3 DL
Ravager, FF, 3 DL
Razorwing, FF, 2 DL, SC

Total is 1849 - it packs a total of 26 (?!?) lance weapons, 15 splinter cannons and then assorted support. The dukes unit now is worth while thanks to the 3+ posion upgrade and the double roll on the chart for drugs means the wyches should be quite good. I don;t see them taking any sort of combat enemy unit - they are more AT support.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 11:35

Beastly shootiness! I see some sense in the wych blasters (without them though, you are halfway to Thor's suggestion of a succubus) but is the blaster in the dukes unit necessary? 4 or 6 SC shots hitting and wounding on 3's would kill more than one possible ID blaster methinks, as that unit really is meant for AI.

Unless everything has gone wrong and at that point one blaster isn't going to save you....

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeSun Mar 11 2012, 14:41

Massaen wrote:
To be honest, the wyches are not intened for anything other than car parks and dreads. If the 15 odd splinter cannons can not kill the enemy infantry then i have done something wrong.

Mucking about with the list some more i now have this...


5 Wyches, HWG, hekatrix, blast pistol, shard net, venom, 2 SC
5 Wyches, HWG, hekatrix, blast pistol, shard net, venom, 2 SC

I know what you intended to use them for. but with only 5 bodies and 1 net your not going to stall a dread for long. They also make great pits vs termies. both cases you'll want more numbers to get the job done effectively and for more than a single turn.

as a tarpit, the hekatx and blast pistol are better spent as more bodies. GIrls want to be fleeting. not stopping to take a really short range blaster shot.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 06:18

hmmm, possibly 7 with a net (it seems the magic number these days Wink) or 8, if you have the points. agreed with dropping the blast pistols, you have heaps of AT and other shooting besides anyway, enough to kill an IG mech player by showing him your list Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 10:46

I am recrunching again... i like idea of 2 x9 wyches with haemy in each...

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 14:07

yeah, wyches need to be run in numbers, all my games have indicated and reinforced that notion , 2x9 with Fnp and Haywires is a standard in many of my lists, if you are looking to save points I have found that just running the Heamy with an LQ gun is fine and Wyches dont 'need' an agoniser, a vblade serves well enough especially if you intend to use them mainly as a pit or for haywire lockdown.

I think my current allcomers 1750 framework is something like

heam + Lq gun

4 Trueborn with blasters in a dakka venom

4 Trueborn with blasters in a dakka venom

7 incubi in a raider with FF's

9 Haywire Wyches + hek vblade/agoniser in raider with FF's

5 Warriors , blaster in a dakka venom

5 Warriors , blaster in a dakka venom

6 Reavers + HL's

6 Reavers + HL's

Razor + FF + splinter

Ravager

Ravager

I think another 100 points could go a fair ways with some fiddling about.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 14:17

I like a bunch of this actually - is 1 unit of wyches enough though?

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 14:33

I would prefer two, what i like about this list is that there is a mixture of threats and tools and its not particularly spamming, i put the melta in to help with Limp Lance syndrome.

To be fair you have to work with the lists limitations, three scoring units is a little on the low side, but I do fine with it.

In an ideal world two units of wyches would be best but its hard to find all those points sometimes.

having said that as long as you plan out where they are going and what they are doing one unit is 'enough'

there may be room to do something like drop a reaver unit , and put another unit of wyches/ heam in at 1850 ?

personally I run two units of reavers for redundnacy and to cause more choices with target priority.

This is not the spammiest/hardest list you can do, I have one for 1750 with 35+ lance weps in it , what this is a balced list that should allow you to fight anything, the 'harder' lists tend to be very one dimensional and have rock lists to their scissors. as they tend to rely almost soley on spamming hulls/darklight/splinters.

It's my personal belief that lists such as these in skilled hands are overall better for attending tourneys than the 'netlists'

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 14:34

I would also say give the wyches raiders. The Raiders help them with extra distance on the charge, which is always handy. Also it gives you an extra DL shot, and I swear that you can never have too many. Even against ground troops its ID property is amazingly useful

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Especially with all the multi wound/FNP MEQ running around now.

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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 16:23

Sorrowshard wrote:
yeah, wyches need to be run in numbers, all my games have indicated and reinforced that notion , 2x9 with Fnp and Haywires is a standard in many of my lists
On the money.

Sorrowshard wrote:
if you are looking to save points ... Wyches dont 'need' an agoniser, a vblade serves well enough especially if you intend to use them mainly as a pit or for haywire lockdown.
This I don't get, why do people automatically jump to the VB when the only thing Wyches need help against wear power armor. Is the basic PW really considered that bad?

Thor665 wrote:
Especially with all the multi wound/FNP MEQ running around now.
Right!?


To accompany the nagging, THIS is the 1850 list I've had most success with so far.


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PostSubject: Re: Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible   Need Help making the hardest 1850 list possible I_icon_minitimeMon Mar 12 2012, 16:41

Its really simple, wound saturation = dead meq

the number of stupid things my Hekatrix has killed with a vblade just because the poor sucker has to roll more than one dice, 5 points is a bargain for something that will wound almost eveything consistently over and over.

Sure it's not as good as an agoniser but often the extra couple of wounds from the hek is what tips the balance.

5's to wound is kinda sucky , course you can hope for a good drug result ....

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