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PostSubject: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 05:47

In the 5th edition DE designer videos, Phil Kelly mentioned something about the DE having an occasional voice in in their mind saying: "Maybe we're doing this wrong" or "Maybe we should stop all this torturing". So im wondering, has any dark eldar turned to the Eldar side?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 07:06

Not officially in fluff that I'm aware of - Phil Kelly is a bit 'voice of gawd' for the DE fluff so if he says they have doubts than it's probably some sort of possibility.

Biggest hurdle would be figuring out their solution to the soul drain situation though - killing to appease Slaanesh really is as important to them as eating or sleeping, it's not an optional thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 07:54

Yes, they have.
There is at least one example in recent books, Incubi who then became Striking Scorpion.
He never speaks and generally only Exarchs of the temple know this secret.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 12:55

I never knew that. Talk about a downgrade...

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 13:51

I recommend highly to read Path of Warrior and Path of Seer.
Lot of insight about Eldar there.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 16:54

Moving this to background....

I also recommend reading Path of the Renegade to get a bit more insight on this subject Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeSun Feb 12 2012, 19:07

I was about the mention that one Dark Eldar who did turn to Eldar but someone already mentioned it.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 15 2012, 10:23

It may also be important to note that not all Harlequins are born harlequins. A lot of their number are drawn from all castes of eldar society. So a Dark Eldar who has doubts may well find himself joining a troupe, and if anyone can help overcome the soul drain it would be the servants of the laughing god.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 15 2012, 10:28

Can i just say the path of the warrior while interesting from certain angles was TERRIBLE to read... there was no snese of time or frame of reference as things jump about and the ending... urgh...

I hope the renegade is better!

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 15 2012, 18:12

as for the way around the soul draining, well that is what soul stornes do. I dont think it would be hard to give a DE who wants to turn to the CWE a soul stone. When Eldar are born they are yet under the protection of the soul stone anyway, so there has to be a ritual or process to bind one's soul to the stone.

And as for the harlies... well there is always the little thing about the ritual of binding. So where I am going for is yes, it would be possible, its just how will CWE society accept him is the question??? I havent read the path books, but if there is an Ex-Incubi there, then that should give you an example of how it would have to be handled.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 15 2012, 19:21

Well Harlies are pretty separate group, no one in their right mind will dare to question them.
They are also not exclusively Eldar group, some humans also joined.

And regarding that question with ritual of binding - it is essentially temprorary demon posession, after that i guess personality changes completely.

There was also book called Farseer where said Farseer just bound soulstone to a human captain, without him actually knowing whats happening. So it is really a possibility.

I can understand how Incubi can join Craftworld, after all they are much more structured organisation then rest of Commoragh. They can just be taught to bind all their war-like nature to a war-mask and call it a day.

But for the rest of Commorites....they are completely different to a Craftworld society.They live for excess, while Craftworld Eldar consider it extremely rude to show or even feel strong emotions at public. They are much like Vulkans from Star Trek. Just instead of devotion to Logic there is devotion to a chosen path, Dao like.

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 16 2012, 00:46

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Can i just say the path of the warrior while interesting from certain angles was TERRIBLE to read... there was no snese of time or frame of reference as things jump about and the ending... urgh...

Seconded. I wanted so hard to like it, I gave it every chance I could ... Neutral I just didn't find it good.

But that said there is an example there of an Incubus (I think; certainly a DE) who becomes a Striking Scorpion and there is a lot of trouble taken over keeping it a secret from almost everyone. To the extent of him rarely if ever speaking. I'm not a fan of the book, but this could be a way for a certain kind of DE to make the change - from Incubus to Aspect Warrior, though the impression I got was that he would never leave the War Path.

It is said in the latest Eldar Codex (and the older ones) that if an Eldar from the Craftworlds strays from the Path, if they should rejoin it then any misdemeanours are put behind them and they are treated just like anyone else following the Path system. To me this suggests that an Eldar not currently on the Path can join one, which could, by a wee bit of a stretch, include DE who no longer want to be one of the soul-sucking top predators of the galaxy Very Happy

I think then you'd need to work out how they would make contact with CWE without a fight, how they would convince them to let them join and what rituals they'd need to undergo (I see there as being many rituals in the highly stylised, controlled CWE society, part of why I find it so interesting Smile ) to become a Path Eldar. They'd need to wear a waystone, both for the purposes of soul-drain protection and to avoid the instant red flag of not having one. And they'd also need to prepare the,selves psychologically for a vast change in lifestyle, not the least the fact that they are now most definitely not going to live forever. Even if it's unlikely that the average DE will actually live forever, they are brought up knowing the technical possibility exists.

I won't say it's impossible, because if you are CWE and you believe that the Path system is the way forward, then the chance of bringing a DE across is both a chance of redemption and the denial of one more soul to Slaanesh.

Hmm, you've given me a lot to think about Smile There's a story in this ...

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 16 2012, 04:49

@Lady Malys wrote:

Hmm, you've given me a lot to think about Smile There's a story in this ...

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 16 2012, 12:38

The only real thing stopping it is I doubt there are very many Dark Eldar willing to change. After all, it's the equivalent of having a drug-addicted porn-star suddenly deciding they want to live in a monastery and join the clergy. I mean, it's technically possible, but you'd probably be able to count the number of times it's happened on your hands.
The Dark Eldar would have to have a reason to change. After all, they've got their own way of dealing with Slaanesh, and it's far, far more enjoyable in their opinion, so why exactly would they be tempted to give up everything they can do now in favour of living a restricted, limited life, not being reborn over and over, and instead spending eternity merged with the tedium of the Infinity circuit?

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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 16 2012, 13:26

I can see a few DE becoming Harlequins, as they don't have the soulstones. Fully fledged Eldar, not a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Dark eldar turned to eldar side?   Dark eldar turned to eldar side? I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 16 2012, 19:33

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Yay!!! A story!!!

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I'd certainly agree with Aroshamash that it's never going to be common. There's too much to lose. So I'd say possible, but not something one hears a lot of.

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