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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Nov 23 2021, 15:50

Zenotaph wrote:
Dont want to create another thread, but it would be nice to collect ideas of how to convert Grots.

Spare bits from the Talos/Cronos kit are your friend here.

In terms of what to start with, I believe Crypt Haunters are the go-to as being about the right size and build.

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Flesh-Eater-Courts-Crypt-Haunter-Courtier

I've also heard people suggest Blighted Ogrun Warspears from Hordes.

Of course, it also depends on your theme. You could, for example, have a snake-themed army and convert those Daughters of Khaine snake/Medusae creatures (Blood Sisters?) into Grotesques.

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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Nov 23 2021, 16:07

Zenotaph wrote:
Dont want to create another thread, but it would be nice to collect ideas of how to convert Grots.

Sounds like an idea. Smile
If you're looking for inspiration, you can also click the link in my signature. It has (amongst some of my other models) pictures of my Grotesques, converted from AoS Crypt Horrors with some Talos masks and gauntlets and other random bits. And for the "Monstrous Cleavers" I used cheap keychains in the shape of populair weapons from series/movies and such. In this case, one from Final Fantasy VII, one from Naruto, and one from Thor in the MCU.
If I make another one, I'll probably use some weapon from LotR or something.

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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Nov 23 2021, 21:20

mine are all 3d printed from edge miniatures, fantastic stuff

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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeFri Nov 26 2021, 13:50

I converted a bunch from the CWE Wraithblade models.

You get 5 in a pack, and there is already fluff around Vect tinkering Wraith units to become his "Castigators" in the Path of the Dark Eldar novels
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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeSun Dec 12 2021, 18:20

I have been running grots in every game in a 6 man unit on foot with liquifiers and they have proven one of my favorite units.  I run coven of 12 for the extra ap on the flesh gauntlets (which makes them +1s, -1 ap, which is a huge deal for the unit's killing power) next to a cronos.  The biggest thing that has makes them worthwhile is to use the liquefiers to clear a chaf unit (6d6 shots is usually enough to kill 4 marines)  and then use an early game CP to give them the crons buff to max their power from pain.  the extra +5 invul is huge if you can get it on turn 1-2.  From there I use them to push the center and bully units off of an objective. This combined with the full re-rolls from torchers craft on wound rolls I sometimes spend the CP to fish for mortals by re-rolling any wound rolls that are not a 6.Grotesques?  - Page 3 20211210
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This is my test model for the unit I just got, I may be weird but I like the fine cast models)
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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 14 2021, 17:13

I have not had much success with Liquifier Grots after Dark Technomancers got the nerf bat. What kind of Meta are you playing in?

Giving up an extra attack, and your access to flat D2 weapons is a hefty price to pay for a Damage 1 AP2 flamer that can go on your basic troops IMHO.

But the meta is currently putting a lot of value into -1 damage mechanics, and its not like we dont have lots of Damage 2 options throughout the codex.

FWIW, I am currently painting up 5 more Grots for my Coven Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 15 2021, 05:52

My most common opponents are Grey knights, custodies and a very tank heavy guard player, with the best success against grey knights.

I use them as a later commitment unit, ideally keeping them in a staging area till turn 2-3, after they have been buffed by the Cronos. I can agree that not taking the -3 ap 2 damage cleaver (due to coven) is something i miss. However I feel that incubi are a better source of damage 2 and 3 attacks.

The decision to go for liquifiers helps provide 3 benefits:
powerful chaff clearing in a unit that you want to see in combat
the ability to get a +5 invul much earlier than expected
an deadly prospect to an incoming charge with the between 4-6 d6 overwatch

I do think it is a list building choice on my part as it plays into the big part they play in my battle plan, a big bully unit capable of taking on the center of the board.

the list I usually play is
archon
succubus
heamonclus

6 grots w/liq
5 incubi
5 mandrake
5 court (4 sslyth, 1 lamean)
raider w dark lance

10 warrior w 2 blasters, phasam
raider w dissie and rack

5 Wracks

5 Wracks

10 hamoxites w 2 ossofactors and hex

5 brides
venom

3 birds

3 birds

beastmaster

2 talos with gauntlet, inject, heat

1 cronos

5 scourge w/blasters


i use poison tongue, red grief and coven of 12
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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 15 2021, 13:23

RisingDusk wrote:
My most common opponents are Grey knights, custodies and a very tank heavy guard player,  with the best success against grey knights.  

I use them as a later commitment unit, ideally keeping them in a staging area till turn 2-3, after they have been buffed by the Cronos. I can agree that not taking the -3 ap 2 damage cleaver (due to coven) is something i miss.  However I feel that incubi are a better source of damage 2 and 3 attacks.

The decision to go for liquifiers helps provide 3 benefits:
powerful chaff clearing in a unit that  you want to see in combat
the ability to get a +5 invul much earlier than expected
an deadly prospect to an incoming charge with the between 4-6 d6 overwatch

I do think it is a list building choice on my part as it plays into the big part they play in my battle plan, a big bully unit capable of taking on the center of the board.  

the list I usually play is
archon
succubus
heamonclus

6 grots w/liq
5 incubi
5 mandrake
5 court (4 sslyth, 1 lamean)
raider w dark lance

10 warrior w 2 blasters, phasam
raider w dissie and rack

5 Wracks

5 Wracks

10 hamoxites w 2 ossofactors and hex

5 brides
venom

3 birds

3 birds

beastmaster

2 talos with gauntlet, inject, heat

1 cronos

5 scourge w/blasters


i use poison tongue, red grief and coven of 12

How many points is that list?

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PostSubject: Re: Grotesques?    Grotesques?  - Page 3 I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 15 2021, 20:35

Its a 2k list, comes out to 1995 exactly.  The big play of the list is to use the coven elements of the list to bully the center and then move into one of my opponents table quarters after securing the center.

commonly used strats: athletic airiest(red greif), torturer's craft , potent metalotoxins, swift outflank and murderous decent

Here is the specific list
++ Battalion Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [110 PL, 9CP, 1,995pts] ++

Obsession: Cult of the Red Grief: The Speed of The Kill, Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss, Realspace Raid, The Coven of Twelve: Butchers of Flesh

+ Stratagems +
Stratagem: Alliance of Agony [-1CP]
Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]
Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Beastmaster [2 PL, 40pts]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), Agoniser, As Detachment (Wych Cult)

Court of the Archon [10 PL, 88pts]: As Detachment (Kabal)
. Lhamean
. Sslyth
. Sslyth
. Sslyth
. Sslyth

+ HQ +

Archon [5 PL, 90pts]: Agoniser, Ancient Evil, As Detachment (Kabal), Blast Pistol, Raid Mastermind, Soulheim, Warlord
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

Haemonculus [5 PL, 90pts]: As Detachment (Coven), Stratagem: Alliance of Agony WLT, The Helm of Spite, Twisted Animator
. Alchemical Maestro (Twelve): Alchemical Maestro

Succubus [4 PL, 95pts]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), As Detachment (Wych Cult), Precision Blows, Stratagem: Alliance of Agony WLT, The Blood Glaive
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Red Grief): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [8 PL, 120pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. 7x Haemoxyte: 7x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip, Hexrifle
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Ossefactor
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Ossefactor

Hekatrix Bloodbrides [4 PL, 90pts]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), As Detachment (Wych Cult)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher
. 4x Hekatrix Bloodbride: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Kabalite Warriors [6 PL, 105pts]: As Detachment (Kabal)
. 7x Kabalite Warrior: 7x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Wracks [3 PL, 45pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. 4x Wracks: 4x Wrack Blade

Wracks [3 PL, 45pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. 4x Wracks: 4x Wrack Blade

+ Elites +

Grotesques [12 PL, 240pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun
. Grotesque w/ Liquifier Gun: Liquifier Gun

Incubi [4 PL, 90pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Demiklaives

Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend

+ Fast Attack +

Razorwing Flocks [2 PL, 36pts]
. 3x Razorwing flock: 3x Razor feathers

Razorwing Flocks [2 PL, 36pts]
. 3x Razorwing flock: 3x Razor feathers

Scourges [5 PL, 100pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Blaster
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Heavy Support +

Cronos [4 PL, 90pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. Cronos: Spirit Probe, Spirit Vortex

Talos [12 PL, 210pts]: As Detachment (Coven)
. Talos: Talos Gauntlet, Talos ichor injector
. . Two heat lances
. Talos: Talos Gauntlet, Talos ichor injector
. . Two heat lances

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 115pts]: Disintegrator Cannon, Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter racks

Raider [6 PL, 110pts]: Dark Lance, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Wych Cult of the Red Grief

Venom [4 PL, 85pts]: As Detachment, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

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