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PostSubject: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 30 2021, 20:54

WHAT KIND OF LISTS, STRATEGIES etc DO YOU THINK WILL WORK WITH MULTIPLE BOMBERS?
Do we go for more board control or pure in your face killing? A mix tac list? Other? What are your thoughts?


So I have been thinking about running multiple Voidraven bombers in a competitive list. 2 would be ideal, but 3 honestly doesn't seem terrible either.

I would like to know what you terribly evil archons think about this and what kind of list would you run with them?

Lances or scythes?

Would you take poison tongue to give more deployment options and that allows you to put them in reserve or redeploy them of it seems like your opponent can take them out before they get to drop their bombs.

Do you take Blackheart to make the lances more accurate and forgo the poison tongue redeploy shinnagans?

What kind of support and list do we write to go with them? Do we want a bunch of coven to hold the table like cronos, talos, wracks or wrack blobs etc. Or go lots of wych cult like, bikes, hellions, wyches in boats etc. We want some incubi lots or lost them? Haha

Lets figure this out.

I am leaning towards poison tongue (PT) because I love having deployment options. And after that I have leaned more into faster cult units like bikes, some hellions, PT transports with wyches, incubi, possibly a small court etc. I have also been thinking that I maybe need extra AT on the table to be able to kill enemy vehicles that have a good chance of hurting my flyers and transports.

But there is something to be said for coven cronos and maybe min grots and/or msu wracks or a wrack blob to help hold the table and be more durable, while allowing me to redeploy the less durable PT units if need be.

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 31 2021, 06:26

I've been wanting to find a way to put voidravens in a list and the best way to support them so a list i very much want to try is:



++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [69 PL, 11CP, 1,380pts] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points) 
Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss


+ HQ +
Archon [4 PL, -1CP, 65pts]: Agoniser, Ancient Evil, Overlord, Splinter Pistol, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition


Drazhar [8 PL, 145pts]


+ Troops +
Kabalite Warriors [3 PL, 40pts]
. 4x Kabalite Warrior: 4x Splinter Rifle
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle


+ Elites +
Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Demiklaives
Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Demiklaives


+ Heavy Support +
Tantalus [16 PL, 310pts]: Kabal


+ Flyer +
Voidraven Bomber [9 PL, 195pts]: Kabal
. Two dark scythes: 2x Dark scythe
Voidraven Bomber [9 PL, 195pts]: Kabal
. Two dark scythes: 2x Dark scythe


+ Dedicated Transport +
Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon
Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon
Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon


++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [31 PL, -3CP, 620pts] ++
Obsession: Cult of Strife: The Spectacle of Murder (Restricted)
Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]


+ HQ +
Succubus [4 PL, 75pts]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Quicksilver Fighter, The Triptych Whip, Warlord
. Agoniser & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Strife): Show Stealer
Succubus [3 PL, -1CP, 60pts]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Competitive Edge, Dark Lotus Toxin, Razorflails, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition


+ Troops +
Wyches [6 PL, -1CP, 110pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Agoniser, Morvaines's Agoniser, Splinter Pistol, Stratagem: Hekatrix of the Crucibael
. 8x Wych: 8x Hekatarii Blade, 8x Plasma Grenades, 8x Splinter Pistol
. Wych w/ Razorflails: Razorflails
Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol


+ Elites +
Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Demiklaives
Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend


+ Fast Attack +
Hellions [4 PL, 85pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive
. 4x Hellion: 4x Hellglaive, 4x Splinter Pods
Hellions [4 PL, 85pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive
. 4x Hellion: 4x Hellglaive, 4x Splinter Pods


++ Total: [100 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++



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The idea would be to load 10 wyches, 5 incubi and a character in the Tantalus, then 2 more units of incubi, 5 more wyches, and the 3 remaining characters in the 3 venoms. 


Hide the venoms, hellions, mandrakes, and warriors which should be easy to do. Deploy the bombers and tantalus aggressively. If you go second, put the bombers in reserve and whatever is best for the tantalus--reserves or just a conservative deployment. But if you go first, you can redeploy the 3 venoms aggressively and move all 4 transports 16" forward while the bombers bomb and fly off the board. Between the tantalus and the bombers it has 24 S8 AP-4 D2 shots which goes right around the new ramshackle quite nicely and those bombers can get angles on those stupid no LoS buggies.

I just need to buy a Tantalus, then I can try it out...
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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 31 2021, 13:06

IMO the Voidraven build is probably our strongest build right now. 2 or 3 are both good, the more D6 you roll the more reliable they are Wink

I think that PT is basically required if your running this build. So many eggs in one basket, if you go up against a double Trueborn player you will likely lose 2 VRBs first turn. Other armies can also do this.

I dont think they really require much support, which is one of their strengths. I would build something around not giving up too many VPs to Bring It Down (since each VRB is worth 2), but also having a strong table top presense (so boats filled with boys+girls, maybe some Wracks).

The new GK and Thousand Sons put out a good amount of MWs, which our VRBs wont like very much. Something to keep in mind if they become Meta.
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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 31 2021, 13:45

Our best choice to deal with MW would be coven, I think. But time will tell... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 31 2021, 18:05

This is a first draft of a double bomber list.

I have points left. Debating on adding a few hellions or something else?

Working on a list


++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [84 PL, 10CP, 1,437pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Court of the Archon [10 PL, 102pts]
. Lhamean
. Sslyth
. Sslyth
. Sslyth
. Ur-Ghul
. Ur-Ghul

+ HQ +

Archon [5 PL, -1CP, 85pts]: Ancient Evil, Huskblade, Overlord, Splinter Pistol, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Djin Blade
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

Drazhar [8 PL, 145pts]: Hatred Eternal, Warlord

+ Troops +

Kabalite Trueborn [8 PL, 135pts]
. 6x Kabalite Trueborn: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Trueborn Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [5 PL, 80pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Flyer +

Voidraven Bomber [9 PL, 185pts]: Kabal
. Two void lances

Voidraven Bomber [9 PL, 185pts]: Kabal
. Two void lances

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Dark Lance, Kabal

Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Dark Lance, Kabal

Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Dark Lance, Kabal

Venom [4 PL, 75pts]: Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [23 PL, -3CP, 495pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession: Cult of Strife: The Spectacle of Murder

+ HQ +

Succubus [4 PL, -1CP, 75pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug), Precision Blows, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Triptych Whip
. Agoniser & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Strife): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

+ Elites +

Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend

Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend

+ Fast Attack +

Hellions [7 PL, 170pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug)
. Helliarch: Hellglaive
. 9x Hellion: 9x Hellglaive, 9x Splinter Pods

++ Total: [107 PL, 7CP, 1,932pts] ++

Created with BattleScribe (https://battlescribe.net)

I have 68pts left...

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 31 2021, 18:28

Why dont you add some Wyches? 10 instead 5 and add some special weapons.
Or some additional equipment? Grizzly trophies work well with Incubi, for example.

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 08 2021, 18:44

@Zenotaph wrote:
Why dont you add some Wyches? 10 instead 5 and add some special weapons.
Or some additional equipment? Grizzly trophies work well with Incubi, for example.

I thought about extra wyches, but I don't have enough transport space unless I wanted to walk a unit. But I am thinking that I might take another succubus for another muder machine which seems like not a bad choice atm. I'd like the list to have a little more board control, but I think it might be good enough as well.

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 09 2021, 12:54

Wracks are great at board control, even if they dont get a Coven benefit by being slotted into a Kabal/Cult patrol.

Also one of our cheapest units (40 pts base).

Just saying Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 14 2021, 17:00

@fisheyes wrote:
Wracks are great at board control, even if they dont get a Coven benefit by being slotted into a Kabal/Cult patrol.

Also one of our cheapest units (40 pts base).

Just saying Wink

I have definitely considered that and I just might do it. It's definitely not a bad way to go. :-)

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeTue Sep 14 2021, 17:06

What is everyones thoughts on tactics with bombers a lists that work well with them? Board control maybe with a Court or two, hellions, wracks, cronos?

Raider rush with solid CC units like wyches, incubi etc.

Other?

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 15 2021, 00:52

@colinsherlow wrote:
What is everyones thoughts on tactics with bombers a lists that work well with them? Board control maybe with a Court or two, hellions, wracks, cronos?

Raider rush with solid CC units like wyches, incubi etc.

Other?

I'd say probably a raider rush melee list. The best way to minimize the potential damage of multiple Voidraven bombs is to spread the army out (or reserve important units). So build a list that punishes them for spreading out so either choice is wrong. 


If they clump up, they get bombed hard. If they spread out, isolate groups from eachother so there's no mutual support and pick them off.
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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 15 2021, 13:27

👆 what he says!! 👆

Sounds like a solid plan to me and if I would run several Voidravens, I'd do the exact same thing.

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PostSubject: Re: Multiple Voidraven bombers   Multiple Voidraven bombers I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 15 2021, 13:32

All of the above.

As you said, the VRB force the opponent to spread out, making them easy pickings for "trade up" CC units (Incubi, Wyches, Hellions, etc).

As always, planning and positioning are key. Still very easy to lose a big chunk of your list if your not careful, or suddenly realize your not holding any Points
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