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PostSubject: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 16 2021, 22:20

Let me know what you think.


++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [31 PL, 12CP, 530pts] ++

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Obsession: The Prophets of Flesh: Connoisseurs of Pain

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, 100pts]: The Vexator Mask, Twisted Animator, Warlord
. Alchemical Maestro (Prophets): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [8 PL, 110pts]
. 8x Haemoxyte: 8x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Ossefactor

Wracks [6 PL, 85pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. 9x Wracks: 9x Wrack Blade

Wracks [6 PL, 85pts]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. 9x Wracks: 9x Wrack Blade

+ Elites +

Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend

Mandrakes [3 PL, 75pts]
. 4x Mandrake: 4x Baleblast, 4x Glimmersteel Blade
. Nightfiend

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [55 PL, -2CP, 990pts] ++

Obsession: The Coven of Twelve: Butchers of Flesh

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [5 PL, -1CP, 100pts]: Master Artisan, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Flensing Blade
. Alchemical Maestro (Twelve): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [8 PL, 110pts]
. 8x Haemoxyte: 8x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Ossefactor

+ Heavy Support +

Cronos [12 PL, 255pts]
. Cronos: Spirit Probe, Spirit Vortex
. Cronos: Spirit Probe, Spirit Vortex
. Cronos: Spirit Probe, Spirit Vortex

Talos [18 PL, 330pts]
. Talos: Macro-scalpel, Talos ichor injector
. . Two heat lances
. Talos: Macro-scalpel, Talos ichor injector
. . Two heat lances
. Talos: Macro-scalpel, Talos ichor injector
. . Two heat lances

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 100pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies

Raider [6 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [27 PL, -2CP, 480pts] ++

Obsession: Cult of Strife: The Spectacle of Murder (Restricted)

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Succubus [3 PL, -1CP, 60pts]: *Random x 2* (Combat Drug), Dark Lotus Toxin, Precision Blows, Razorflails, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition

+ Troops +

Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [3 PL, 50pts]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

+ Elites +

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

Incubi [4 PL, 80pts]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [5 PL, 80pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

Scourges [5 PL, 80pts]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Shredder
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

++ Total: [113 PL, 8CP, 2,000pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 16 2021, 22:50

2 Raider? I would swap out a Talos and a Chronos for 2 more Boats.
And maybe the Ossefactors for Hexrifles or additional Raider Upgrades.

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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 16 2021, 23:03

@Zenotaph wrote:
2 Raider? I would swap out a Talos and a Chronos for 2 more Boats.
And maybe the Ossefactors for Hexrifles or additional Raider Upgrades.

maybe 1 more boat at most. Also the Ossefactors are assault so you can advance a squad shoot then "fire and fade" (or whatever it is called now) if necessary. Remember movement is the most important part of the game. If i were to cut anything for 1 more raider it would be a scourge squad and cronos upgrades.
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeMon Aug 16 2021, 23:35

2k points with only 3 Raiders? Well, I tried to help. So, good luck. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 01:36

@Zenotaph wrote:
2 Raider? I would swap out a Talos and a Chronos for 2 more Boats.
And maybe the Ossefactors for Hexrifles or additional Raider Upgrades.

Why Hexrifles? The Ossefactor feel so much better?
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 01:58

@Zenotaph wrote:
2k points with only 3 Raiders? Well, I tried to help. So, good luck. Wink

I run only 3 Raiders to good effect at 2k. Granted, I run 2 Reapers along with them, so it stretches people's fire support a little more. But honestly, I think spamming Raiders is kind of a bad idea right now. Everyone and their mother is teching their lists to kill Raiders. Taking more Raiders just means they'll get more value out of the tech they put in their list. 


It also makes target prioritization extremely easy for your opponent. They have no hard choices when every target is just a boat carrying efficient combat units. Shoot the most immediate threat, and work your way back. There's nothing to think about. In my list, for instance, people have to choose between killing Raiders or Reapers. It takes the same tools, so the choice is theirs. Do you kill the boat ferrying combat threats into your lines? Or do you kill the thing that's going to sit 36" away and blast the crap out of your army? Not always an easy question to answer. 


Having only 3 Raiders can be a risk, but if you force them to deal with other threats too, then you can punish them if they decide to go after the raider anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 12:21

I wouldnt call 4 boats per 2k pts Raider spam. I just think, the mobility is very useful.
But, like I said before, I am just a casual beer&pretzel player. I might as well be wrong. Wink

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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 13:09

How "Competitive" are you trying to make the list?

From a Casual stand point I think you are covering most bases. You got lots of VP scoring with 2x Mandrakes and 2x Scourges. You are minimizing giving up VPs to Bring It Down and Assassinate.

Decent Hoard clearing with the Wyches and Scourges (maybe a little light).

Dont think you have a lot of Anti Tank. Talos BS4 hurts a bit, and expecting those badboys to get into combat isnt the best assumption (but certainly possible depending on terrain and opponent skill).

My main comment is the 3x Chronos isnt the most competitive option (outside the Dark Technomancer Coven, where these monstrosities really shine).

Also taking two Haemonculi is a lot of tax (Draz is SOOOO good), but I see that they both have a use, so you do you.

If I were to make a casual list out of this skeleton, I would drop the Chronos, put in a Void Raven Bomber/Reaper (for MWs and Anti Tank) and switch the Coven Of 12 Haemi to Draz. Maybe find a few points for more Wyches.

Have you played before, or are you new to the True Kin?
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 14:15

@fisheyes wrote:
How "Competitive" are you trying to make the list?

Have you played before, or are you new to the True Kin?

1. Very, I am trying to make a list that will combat Lennon's Sisters list as well as the new post FAQ Mechanicus, plus some Psychic future proofing. Thousand Sons and Grey Knights will be a thing. Remember to add the Cronos to the list of hoard clearing options. Honestly I think the Cronos is way to undervalued in general. Actually, Ironically after I posted this list here I saw that Skari crushed a local RTT with the same 3 talos 3 cronos setup in his list, but to be fair I don't know what obsession he was running.

2. I am from the Rogue Trader days mid late 80's and have played all of the pointy eared factions since their initial release. Crap that means I might have been playing longer than Brad Chester.
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeTue Aug 17 2021, 17:55

He was running Dark Techno for the flamer bomb, backed up by double Void Raven for those Mortal Wounds. Hes been running a similar list for a while now.

If your going hyper competitive, you will want to change out the Coven of 12 to DT, and move the Chronos over there.

The Talos are REALLY squishy these days, I dont think they really have a place in Competitive right now (MAYBE as AotF for the -1 damage, but I dont think its worth giving up PoF for).

The Void Raven build kinda needs to be Poison Tongue so you can re-deploy the flyers (many eggs in that basket), and it forces the enemy to spread out to avoid those bombs (making it easier for you to pick off isolated parts of their army).

If you do end up going DT for the Chronos, you could do worse than throwing some Ossifactors into the Wrack squads (and maybe a Reaper).

For sure you need Draz in there instead of the second Haemi.

Good luck and have fun! Ive only been playing DE since 7th (been playing 40k since 3ed), so you got way more experience than me!
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PostSubject: Re: No Kabal 2000 points   No Kabal 2000 points I_icon_minitimeWed Aug 18 2021, 17:02

@fisheyes wrote:
He was running Dark Techno for the flamer bomb, backed up by double Void Raven for those Mortal Wounds. Hes been running a similar list for a while now.

He finally posted the list and all his coven were Artists of the Flesh
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