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PostSubject: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 08:22

Well, finally its time. We are combining a little BBQ with our beloved Hobby.
That means: 1 table, 4 players and some nice junks of meat fresh from the grill.
We have Chaos Space Marines, AdMech or Battlesisters, my Drukhari and... something else. Shocked
Since I am not really a friend of RSR, I go with the usual 3 Patrols. One for each subfaction.
Its a nice non-competetive list with exactly 1500pts.

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [11CP, 31 PL, 580pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype

Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [85pts, 5 PL]: Agoniser, Blast Pistol, Consummate Weaponmaster, Overlord, Soulheim, Warlord
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

+ Troops +

Kabalite Trueborn [135pts, 8 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Trueborn: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Trueborn Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [100pts, 6 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Shredder
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Shredder
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 80pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-3CP, 555pts, 31 PL] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession: The Dark Creed: Distillers of Fear

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [-1CP, 5 PL, 100pts]: Fear Incarnate, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition
. Alchemical Maestro (Dark Creed): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [60pts, 4 PL]
. 3x Haemoxyte: 3x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun

+ Elites +

Incubi [80pts, 4 PL]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 105pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [6 PL, 105pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [6 PL, 105pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 18 PL, 365pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost

Obsession: Cult of the Cursed Blade: Only The Strong Will Survive

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

+ HQ +

Succubus [-1CP, 75pts, 4 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Precision Blows, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Triptych Whip
. Agoniser & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Cursed Blade): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Hekatrix Bloodbrides [140pts, 8 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 6x Hekatrix Bloodbride: 6x Hekatarii Blade, 6x Plasma Grenades, 6x Splinter Pistol
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Hydra Gauntlets: Hydra Gauntlets
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Razorflails: Razorflails
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [150pts, 6 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), 2x Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 4x Reaver: 4x Bladevanes, 4x Splinter Pistol, 4x Splinter Rifle
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat Lance

++ Total: [80 PL, 7CP, 1,500pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 09:32

Looks strong!
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 09:59

Actually, I believe its too spicy. I think, I geht rid of a Raider and a Venom, to add some Scourges and tinker with some equipment.
After all, CSM dont have a 9th dex and its no fun, when my ESE are way too powerful.

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 13:23

TBF, it depends on the general. CSM routinely kick my ass in my gaming group.
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 14:15

CSM suffer from only having a few good option and very restrictive list building since they need to buff the hell out of those units but they can be really really strong. A souped up Terminator bomb is super scary for example it just burns through CP and falls off quickly without strats.
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 16:39

So, wie discussed it a bit further. Its ging to be this list:

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [11CP, 37 PL, 682pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Matched

Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Court of the Archon [72pts, 5 PL]
. Lhamean
. Medusae
. Sslyth
. Ur-Ghul

+ HQ +

Archon [85pts, 5 PL]: Agoniser, Blast Pistol, Consummate Weaponmaster, Overlord, Soulheim, Warlord
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

+ Troops +

Kabalite Trueborn [135pts, 8 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Trueborn: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Trueborn Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [100pts, 6 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Warrior: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Shredder
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Shredder
. Kabalite warrior with Heavy Weapon: Splinter Cannon
. Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [120pts, 5 PL]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 80pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Twin splinter rifle

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-3CP, 450pts, 25 PL] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession: The Dark Creed: Distillers of Fear

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [-1CP, 5 PL, 100pts]: Fear Incarnate, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition
. Alchemical Maestro (Dark Creed): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [60pts, 4 PL]
. 3x Haemoxyte: 3x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun

+ Elites +

Incubi [80pts, 4 PL]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [6 PL, 105pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [6 PL, 105pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 18 PL, 365pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost

Obsession: Cult of the Cursed Blade: Only The Strong Will Survive

Raiding Forces - CP Refund

+ HQ +

Succubus [-1CP, 75pts, 4 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Dancer's Edge, Precision Blows, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition
. Blast Pistol & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Cursed Blade): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Hekatrix Bloodbrides [140pts, 8 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Hekatarii Blade, Splinter Pistol
. 6x Hekatrix Bloodbride: 6x Hekatarii Blade, 6x Plasma Grenades, 6x Splinter Pistol
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Hydra Gauntlets: Hydra Gauntlets
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Razorflails: Razorflails
. Hekatrix Bloodbride w/ Shardnet and Impaler: Shardnet and Impaler

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [150pts, 6 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), 2x Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 4x Reaver: 4x Bladevanes, 4x Splinter Pistol, 4x Splinter Rifle
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat Lance

++ Total: [80 PL, 7CP, 1,497pts] ++

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 17:01

really love this list Smile
seems fun all while being strong enough to stand your ground and still have a good game....
But i REALLY love the setup you seems to prepare!
I sure hope the weather will be on your side!
Have some fun!!! Smile
(due to the pandemic, i was supposed to have a game outside with some friends, but the announced weather is rain Sad)
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jun 23 2021, 17:52

Its Black Legion, Order of the bloody rose and another CSM player. I think, I play it fluffwise.
Wait, harass a little, wait a bit longer and then mop up the leftovers. I just hope, they let me.
I know, Morvenn is on the table, also Abbadon and a demon prince.

But I refuse to make DG-burger. So no stinkin cheese. lol!

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 06 2021, 03:02

Well, it was a great match, but to be honest, I really messed up.
First of all, we lost the first turn. OK, I thought, so what? Time to go out for a smoke.
When I came back in, a bloody Helldrake was in the middle of my deployment zone, spitting fire and turning one Raider into tiny pieces.
Two Wyches didnt survive that either. Kismet, crap happens. Next: roasted Dragonsteak. Or so I thought.
That thing survived the full salvo of my other Raider, including the Trueborn riding it. 2DL and 2Blasters. Oh, they hit, but 5++.
My Reavers went a bit forward to shoot a demonprince, acompanied by a hellbrute. They wounded him, but couldnt get a kill.
All in all, my shooting phase was not the best, I ever did. Well, if going ballistic dont work, time for melee.
Since my Succubus and the Wyches had to disembark, they charged the Helldrake and my Reavers double charged the Prince and Brute.
Maybe not my best idea. The Dragon went extinct, but only one of my Reavers survived. But that was enough.
Second turn:
When you think, it went bad for me, just wait a bit longer. Abbadon and a big group of Terminators deepstriked near the centerfield.
I found out, my second Raider, the one carrying my Trueborn, was not as hidden, as I thought. Well, I just say 8 Melta-Shots...
Oh, by the way! They had the Mark of Slaneesh. So they didnt only melt my Raider, but my Succubus as well.
Did I mention, that the Helldrake flamed my Scourges nice and toasty before he teared my first Raider apart? No? Cant imagine, why...
My second turn:
Not much left, so time bring my venoms in play. Thanks to our strats, my Incubi and Archon could disembark and charge.
5 Incubi versus 8 Terminators? This is a sure bet. My Archon had a strange feeling and charged Abby.
Oh, before that, my remaining Trueborn got rid of the Hellbrute, but I forgot to give my Wracks in the second Venom a Hexrifle and Ossefactor.
The Demonprince survived the 6 poisoned shots and my Coven guys couldnt do anything but watch and giggle...
Well, back to my bad judgement, charging the center! I messed up the Tormentor roll for my Incubi.
That left me with the choice of bad or worse. Incubi vs Termis? Or Archon vs Abby? Which is first?
Well, if there is something, Black Legion really can, its having CP en Masse. So, an interrupt was mandatory.
I did the logical. Incubi first, since my Archon could, at least theoretically, survive. They slaughtered the 8 Terminators of course.
Then the Interrupt came. 2CP spent to let Abbadon attack my Archon. First 4 hits with Drach'nyen. S6 AP-3 D3D...
I think, everybody knows, what my first Roll for my Shadowfield was.

Well, my CSM Ally had bad luck as well, fighting the Sisters of the bloody Rose.
We messed up, our dice rolls were really horrible, but it was a great game with lots of laughs, just the way it should be.
Next time: Sisters of Battle and AdMech versus double Drukhari. Time to bring the cheese!!!

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 06 2021, 11:22

I'll just jump in with 5 Incubi shouldn't really kill 8 CSM Termies on average dice.

That aside, I'm glad you had a great time despite the rough match.

You hoping to fight Sisters or Admech next round?
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeTue Jul 06 2021, 14:16

Those 5 Incubi really killed those Terminator. After all, it was 16 attacks.

What do you mean, I hope to fight them? I will fight them.

Edit: I checked. It was 6 Termies. 2 died due to splinterfire. My Bad!! Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 04:31

I misunderstood then, I thought you would face one of them and your ally would face the other.
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 14:40

Ouch. People say that DE are the best faction in the game, but they fail to realize how difficult they are to play. Litterally 2 mistakes in a game will swing you from a Win to a Lose. Just got to get in that practice, so you remember all those little abilities/weapons/strats.

Two minor comments. Most Flyers can only be charged by units with Fly keyword. Not sure if the Heldrake has this same rule, but your wyches may not have been able to charge that (although the Reavers can)

Secondly, one of the tricks with the Archon is to use his regular 4+ save to eat wounds and save your Shadowfield. Ideally you dont use your Shadowfield save until you have 1 wound left (or 3 wounds left if your against a weapon that can do 3 damage in a swing). Doesnt help you when you fail the first, but something to keep in mind.
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 15:05

The Helldrake is not a flyer. He only has the fly keyword. We triple checked. scratch

I know those little tricks with the shadowfield. But first I got 4 hits with Drach'nyen, S6 AP-3 D3D.
After that, the 'regular' Claw of Horus would have hit me with a lot D2. There wasnt much else to do.

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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 15:06

inspired by @Zenotaph i really love the Soulhelm to add some sturdiness to our beloved Archon.
Even the Obsidian Rose's relic Armor of Misery can be good to help with the strategy used by @fisheyes
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 16:31

@fisheyes wrote:
TBF, it depends on the general. CSM routinely kick my ass in my gaming group.

How? What is chaos player taking into battle? Just asking because I have chaos Marines as well.
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 19:12

@Kalmah wrote:

Even the Obsidian Rose's relic Armor of Misery can be good to help with the strategy used by @fisheyes

Doesnt need to be OR, the Archon comes with a normal 4+ save, in addition to his 2++ Shadowfield (this was added in our 9th edition codex)

Chaos player brings Thousand Sons, with their teleporting psykic powers. Dreadnaughts teleporting around, Psykic MWs knocking boats out of the sky, Termies DS into random corners and are nearly impossible to dig out.

When be brings the demon allies, thats when you know your REALLY screwed. Horrors are the strongest unit in the game IMHO. Very hard to use, but they win games. I still dont know how to deal with them, 10 CoS Wyches dont even come close to solving that puzzle
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PostSubject: Re: Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent   Burger & Bolter 4x4 Grillevent I_icon_minitimeWed Jul 07 2021, 20:05

And dont forget Mark of Chaos. A blob with 2+/5++ and 2W is bad enough, but when they can shoot their Meltas twice, it really gets ugly.
OK, its a strat, but it is very useful.

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