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PostSubject: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeWed May 19 2021, 12:35

Well, with the competitive Lists full of DT Liquifiers and Razorbus, -busses, bus's, ah, whatever....
Anyways, since that is in so many ways not my kind of playstyle, so I gave myself another evening with my Dex.
I came across a very interessting way of gaining Victorypoints. Secondary Objektive: Fear and Terror.
Obviously, it seems highly situational, but I think, we have all the tricks and toys to make this work.
A good Combination could be Poisoned Tongue, Dark Creed and, strangely enough, a custom Cult.

So, PT adds 1 to attrition tests, when something dies by poison. Good start, and a nice job for Venom with grizzly trophies.
As a bonus, I dont go with the Djinnblade/Hatred eternal Archon. Mine is equipped with an Agonizer, the Soulheim
and uses Consumate Weaponsmaster as WL-Trait. Sure, not the Killingmachine anyone would expect,
but killy enough, especially against tanks, thanks to metallotoxins, and he is surprisingly sturdy.

Secondly, Dark Creed. Just what a Coven should be, fluffwise. Fearinducing and very alien. Perfect!!
A DC Raider with grizzly trophies and PGL fits in perfectly to force enemies running away.
Obviously, not only for fluff reasons, the Haemi gets Fear incarnate.
As an extra bonus: The wracks get a +16.66% chance to hit. Well, when they want to.

And lastly the Cult. Jeah, I've heard this a lot. CoS, CoS.... Hell, my ears are still ringing...
But a custom Cult with Trophyhunter and, well, something else, would add greatly to a Leadership-bomb list.

Before I forget: Incubi also benefit greatly from this, thanks to their Tormentors.

I do not intend to kill the enemy by attrition, but these tests might add greatly to my VP count, while I go for other secondaries.
So, these are the thoughts of an absolutely non-competitive player, who has his interests only in fun matches.
I know, its a very different approach, but it should make for some very interresting matches.
So, what do you think?

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 02:51

First, congrats for thinking outside the box!
i really really love the idea, i've been thinking a list of that kind for some time now, except on my side i am focusing more on the Dark Creed and Poison Tongue, but no Cult, as i think it disperse the stuff a little bit too much to my taste, but with a custom made cult like that, it can truly be useful, i even start to think this could be better than Poison Tongue.

on my side we don't even play with secondaries as we play with Open play cards, so i don't know if this can be something worth a try in those conditions, but just for the fun of really using the morale phase i want to try it at least once!

If you ever try this list i would really love some feedback Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 10:54

Ahem, well, hmm, uh, actually I do not have a list. I want to build one today. Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 12:36

Great! Now there is more trouble. Since ESE are super killy and lots of people play MSU style,
AdMech Vehicles boost Morale, DKoK and SM ignore attrition, Nids are often fearless.
Oh, not to mention the 30 Ork Boyz, that use their numbers as Ld...
And I almost forgot those goddamn miracle dice.

This might take a lot more work, than expected. Suspect

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 13:52

that was indeed one of my great fear.....i've already heard that some SM ignore attrition, but did not know about all the others........damn......that some huge cliff to climb!
Luckily on my side i usually know what army my friend will play, so if i ever build this list, i will be able to choose it in a situation where it will be able to shine at least a little, so i'll probably try it anyway.......but if you don't know what you will face this can be really frustrating quickly.....gulp! cyclops
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 14:29

Here is my first Testrun:

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [13CP, 40 PL, 800pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Matched

Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ HQ +

Archon [85pts, 5 PL]: Agoniser, Consummate Weaponmaster, Overlord, Soulheim, Blast Pistol, Warlord
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

+ Troops +

Kabalite Trueborn [135pts, 8 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Trueborn: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Trueborn Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [55pts, 3 PL]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [55pts, 3 PL]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Incubi [80pts, 4 PL]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [120pts, 5 PL]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 20 PL, 440pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession
. *Custom Cult*: Precise Killers, Trophy Takers

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ HQ +

Succubus [-1CP, 75pts, 4 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Quicksilver Fighter, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Triptych Whip
. Agoniser & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Custom): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Hekatrix Bloodbrides [75pts, 4 PL]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 4x Hekatrix Bloodbride: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [65pts, 3 PL]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [75pts, 3 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 2x Reaver: 2x Bladevanes, 2x Splinter Pistol, 2x Splinter Rifle

Reavers [150pts, 6 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), 2x Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 4x Reaver: 4x Bladevanes, 4x Splinter Pistol, 4x Splinter Rifle
. Reaver with special weapon (up to 1 for 3 models): Heat Lance

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 630pts, 33 PL] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession: The Dark Creed: Distillers of Fear

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [-1CP, 5 PL, 100pts]: Fear Incarnate, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition
. Alchemical Maestro (Dark Creed): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [70pts, 4 PL]
. 3x Haemoxyte: 3x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip, Hexrifle
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun

Wracks [60pts, 3 PL]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip, Hexrifle
. Wrack w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun
. 3x Wracks: 3x Wrack Blade

+ Heavy Support +

Talos [6 PL, 110pts]
. Talos: Chain-flails, Macro-scalpel
. . Two splinter cannons

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 100pts]: Coven, Disintegrator Cannon, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [5 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [5 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

++ Total: [93 PL, 11CP, 1,870pts] ++

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I go mostly with MSU this time, giving up the Dark Lances in the Kabalite Slots. Well, except for the Trueborn.
Always hitting on 2+, no matter what happens, is just too good. My anti-tank now comes mostly from the Scourges,
and otherwise widely spread special weapons. Also, I added 2 Hexrifles this time, just to see, how they work.

The plan is to wound as much units as possible in the first 2 turns,
and with that forcing as much morale-tests as possible, without exposing my army too much.
Then reconsolidate and use some kind of 'Salami'-Tactic. Slice by slice taking out unit after unit.
Since I have another 100+ points to spare, I think I can, at least a bit, adjust to different opponents.
I thought of using more reavers and adding Splinterracks, or add a Razorwing by giving up some PLGs.

This is just a first try, so its nowhere near tested and/or battleready, but I am really eager to give it a try.

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 14:34

I was tinkering with a soup test the other day that brought in some Craftworld things to do a similar thing.

The Hemlock Wraith Fighters have a 12" bubble of -2 Ld.

I was mostly experimenting on getting Mindwar to guarantee character kills if it goes of, you can hit a 9-14 MW bracket fairly easily which is amusing. For thay reason I was focusing on Ld boosts as much as debuffs so it's a little different. They do also have the Horrify power for -Ld ( I was using Embolden for +Ld).

Maybe not worth it but it would also let you being some indirect fire weapons to blink things for Ld checks if you wanted too.

Thought I'd bring it up for consideration at least.
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 14:44

Nice Idea. Really! But it wont go with my fluff. First, they are Crystalcuddlers. No way, I fraternize with those.
Second, the Hemlock is some kind of last resort weapon, and not to be used lightly by any Craftworld.
They are almost frightened to let those loose. Well, at least in 6th or 7th edition Codex.

When its only about the synergy: Great idea! 👍👍

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 16:54

Space Marines ignore attriction's malus. It's a no for me, sadly.
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 17:35

Sound like a good list to try! Smile
With your 100pts still available you can even add another unit of 5 Scourge if you want! (be it with anti tank or anti infantry depending on what you are facing)

or else, with your 100pts, i'll consider playing with 2x 6 reavers for an easier board control

all in all seems pretty decent.......but now i just want to know if this is viable against an army that DO care about the morale phase.......
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 18:08

A few things:

-And They Shall Know No Fear is going to keep you from stacking Attrition Test bonuses. Space Marines are a large part of the community.

-This Secondary can be undermined by the any Morale passing tricks, like Insane Bravery, Synapse, auto-passing Morale tests, etc.

-Vehicles, Monsters and Characters cannot take Morale Checks.

-This is a Secondary. You will max out at 15 points. Is it worth building an army around for 15 points?


To me, if you're going this route it is because you are already spamming PGLs, Grisly Trophies, maybe Incubi. The idea is to reward yourself for something you are already doing. Trophy Takers are important because you need to make enemies fail Morale Checks first. Modifiers to Ld are good, but there is no substitute for 2D6. Your chances of rolling auto-pass 1s goes from 1/6 to 1/36.

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 18:41

I agree. I just search for new, maybe unexpected ways to play. This is just a first thought and who knows?
Maybe something good comes up. At least it is, compared to most Drukhari lists, innovative and, well, unexpected.

And to be honest: I really begin to hate Razorflail Succubus and DT liquifier. Why should we depend on cheats and glitches?

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeThu May 20 2021, 22:52

Getting to use the secondary is not the only benefit. You also get a lot more reliable Fight Last and pgl will almost (or will if you go all in) auto wound many targets.

It's certainly not a tournament build but you can certainly play it even against the bad matchups.
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeTue May 25 2021, 12:20

Well, tomorrow is the day. I streamlined the list a little and today I get to know my enemy. Or at least the faction.
My buddy knows, what I try to test, so I guess, its not against Marines or Tyranids.

Here is, what I will use:

++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [13CP, 53 PL, 1,012pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)

Detachment Command Cost

Gametype: Matched

Obsession: Kabal of the Poisoned Tongue: The Serpent's Kiss

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ Stratagems +

Stratagem: Prizes from the Dark City [-1CP]

+ No Force Org Slot +

Court of the Archon [72pts, 5 PL]
. Lhamean
. Medusae
. Sslyth
. Ur-Ghul

+ HQ +

Archon [85pts, 5 PL]: Agoniser, Blast Pistol, Consummate Weaponmaster, Overlord, Soulheim, Warlord
. Splintered Genius (Poisoned Tongue): Splintered Genius

+ Troops +

Kabalite Trueborn [135pts, 8 PL]
. 6x Kabalite Trueborn: 6x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Heavy Weapon: Dark Lance
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Kabalite Trueborn w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Trueborn Sybarite: Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [55pts, 3 PL]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

Kabalite Warriors [55pts, 3 PL]
. 3x Kabalite Warrior: 3x Splinter Rifle
. Kabalite Warrior w/ Special Weapon: Blaster
. Sybarite: Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Splinter Rifle

+ Elites +

Incubi [80pts, 4 PL]
. 4x Incubi: 4x Klaive
. Klaivex: Klaive

+ Fast Attack +

Scourges [120pts, 5 PL]
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Scourge with Special / Heavy weapon: Dark Lance
. Solarite: Shardcarbine

+ Heavy Support +

Ravager [8 PL, 140pts]: 3x Dark Lance

+ Dedicated Transport +

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

Venom [4 PL, 90pts]: Grisly Trophies, Kabal, Splinter Cannon, Splinter Cannon

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 17 PL, 365pts] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession
. *Custom Cult*: Precise Killers, Trophy Takers

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ HQ +

Succubus [-1CP, 75pts, 4 PL]: 1 - Adrenalight (Combat Drug), Quicksilver Fighter, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition, The Triptych Whip
. Agoniser & Archite Glaive
. Show Stealer (Custom): Show Stealer

+ Troops +

Hekatrix Bloodbrides [75pts, 4 PL]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 4x Hekatrix Bloodbride: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

Wyches [65pts, 3 PL]: 2 - Grave Lotus (Combat Drug)
. Hekatrix: Blast Pistol, Phantasm Grenade Launcher, Power sword
. 4x Wych: 4x Hekatarii Blade, 4x Plasma Grenades, 4x Splinter Pistol

+ Fast Attack +

Reavers [75pts, 3 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 2x Reaver: 2x Bladevanes, 2x Splinter Pistol, 2x Splinter Rifle

Reavers [75pts, 3 PL]: 6 - Splintermind (Combat Drug), Grav-talon
. Arena Champion: Heat Lance
. 2x Reaver: 2x Bladevanes, 2x Splinter Pistol, 2x Splinter Rifle

++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Aeldari - Drukhari) [-1CP, 625pts, 33 PL] ++

+ Configuration +

Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]

Obsession: The Dark Creed: Distillers of Fear

Raiding Forces - CP Refund [2CP]

+ HQ +

Haemonculus [-1CP, 5 PL, 100pts]: Fear Incarnate, Stratagem: Tolerated Ambition
. Alchemical Maestro (Dark Creed): Alchemical Maestro

+ Troops +

Haemoxytes [70pts, 4 PL]
. 3x Haemoxyte: 3x Wrack Blade
. Haemoxyte Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip, Hexrifle
. Haemoxyte w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun

Wracks [60pts, 3 PL]
. Acothyst: Electrocorrosive Whip, Hexrifle
. Wrack w/ Special Weapon: Liquifier Gun
. 3x Wracks: 3x Wrack Blade

+ Heavy Support +

Talos [6 PL, 110pts]
. Talos: Chain-flails, Macro-scalpel
. . Two splinter cannons

+ Dedicated Transport +

Raider [5 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [5 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

Raider [5 PL, 95pts]: Coven, Dark Lance, Grisly Trophies, Phantasm Grenade Launcher

++ Total: [103 PL, 11CP, 2,002pts] ++

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Since Drukhari are very cost effective, I told him to upgrade for a total of 2050pts.

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeTue May 25 2021, 14:49

Let us know how it goes please.
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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeTue May 25 2021, 21:45

My enemy is: Imperial Guard.

But I dont know anything more.

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PostSubject: Re: Spreading Fear and Terror   Spreading Fear and Terror I_icon_minitimeWed May 26 2021, 13:14

The betrayer has been betrayed. Im fighting Bloody Rose Sisters at the moment.
Ive never seen someone gloating that much over miracle dice showing 1&2... Suspect

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