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Fauxmonculus
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PostSubject: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 07 2021, 12:56

I only have six Reavers (including two with Heat Lances) but I'm thinking of more.

Are they best used in large squads or as multiple smaller squads? I currently run them all as a single squad, but while they're fun they don't seem to achieve a great deal.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 07 2021, 13:29

10 is obvioulsy the most efficient for EFB, but you might find it tricker to hide.

I'm liking the look of units of 6 as a good compromise.

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeWed Apr 07 2021, 13:54

Honestly, it depends on your Fast Attack slots. You only get 2 in a Wych Cult Patrol (AKA Raiding Force), and there are a lot of good stuff fighting for those 2 spots (Reavers, Hellions, Beast Packs, Scourges, etc).

I personally think the sweet spot is 9, but I am not the most competent Archon Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 14:43

Thanks for the replies.

As a follow-up question, do you find the grav-talon or cluster caltrops worth taking?
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 15:27

@Fauxmonculus wrote:
Thanks for the replies.

As a follow-up question, do you find the grav-talon or cluster caltrops worth taking?

I prefer Grav Talons, as you have control over the effect....Caltrops aren't bad, but are reliant on your opponent Falling Back.

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 17:12

I like the Grav Talon more than the caltrops. Magnitize everything, you will probably want to swap things around as the META changes over the months/years.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 21:22

I’m taking six, two with Heat Lances. I’m also taking 10 Hellions.
I give the Reaverrs Splinter Mind for BS2 and they zip around the board shooting bad things. Then mid or late game they can zip in and take an objective. I really don’t need more than six for that, and it’s a point total that works well for my list.

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 22:31

If you play 20 Hellions, go 12 Reavers.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeThu Apr 08 2021, 22:53

Has anyone actually used the Reaver vs Hellion rivalry Stratagem?
Is it worth planning around, or not worth handcuffing two good units together?

I took 6 Reavers and 7 Hellions today against an all-infantry Marine list, and both units were big enough to do the job. Hellions hiding and deploying scramblers turn one didn't feel like a wasted turn, and removed the temptation to expose them too early!
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 09 2021, 09:23

I use 2 units of 9

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 09 2021, 09:28

@dumpeal wrote:
I use 2 units of 9

Ouch! That's a lot of points. How are they working out for you?

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeFri Apr 09 2021, 16:37

Ive been running 9 Reavers and 10 Hellions. Going to drop the Hellions this weekend for more Wracks (I own 12 Reavers and 0 Hellions).

Not sure which is better, but Reavers work better in my Necron META.

I would recomend rolling for your Reaver drugs. They are the only unit that will benefit from ANY of the options. Thats my $0.02 anyway.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 10:05

@Count Adhemar wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
I use 2 units of 9

Ouch! That's a lot of points. How are they working out for you?

I don't know, we can't play for the moment. Will tell you in a month.

But I use the 10pts/reavers, since it's the most recent point update.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 20:41

@dumpeal wrote:
@Count Adhemar wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
I use 2 units of 9

Ouch! That's a lot of points. How are they working out for you?

I don't know, we can't play for the moment. Will tell you in a month.

But I use the 10pts/reavers, since it's the most recent point update.

My understanding is that the 'most recent' is the Spanish language edition of the codex (printed after the English one), in which Reavers are 20pts.....I'd be more than happy to be wrong though Twisted Evil

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 20:50

Played with just the 9 Reavers this weekend, and they did fine.

When it came time to actually do stuff, they whiffed pretty hard. Might be better to go up to 12 so that you have that 4th heat lance and grav talon. Too easy for 3 shots to do nothing. More playtesting required Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeYesterday at 21:16

3x3 or 9/12 is my pick.

3 if you want MSU objectives and harassment, but don't expect them to turn fights.

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeToday at 00:29

@harlokin wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
@Count Adhemar wrote:
@dumpeal wrote:
I use 2 units of 9

Ouch! That's a lot of points. How are they working out for you?

I don't know, we can't play for the moment. Will tell you in a month.

But I use the 10pts/reavers, since it's the most recent point update.

My understanding is that the 'most recent' is the Spanish language edition of the codex (printed after the English one), in which Reavers are 20pts.....I'd be more than happy to be wrong though Twisted Evil

I'm always wary of translated codex. That's why even though I'm speaking french, I bought the english version.
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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeToday at 09:01

I have played 2x units of 5 successfully so far (against BA, Necrons, SM and IK), with good success.
Their shooting output of course is not incredible, but:
- I don’t feel guilty if I decide to advance
- I can use them as wings of my army, one on each side
- It is a decent number for EF strat, without triggering the additional CP cost and the blast rule
- Still good to harass poorly protected objs in the enemy deployment

I play them as Red Grief with S5, T5 and one Lance and talon

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PostSubject: Re: Reaver squad size?   Reaver squad size? I_icon_minitimeToday at 09:09

@Gherma wrote:
I have played 2x units of 5 successfully so far (against BA, Necrons, SM and IK), with good success.
Their shooting output of course is not incredible, but:
- I don’t feel guilty if I decide to advance
- I can use them as wings of my army, one on each side
- It is a decent number for EF strat, without triggering the additional CP cost and the blast rule
- Still good to harass poorly protected objs in the enemy deployment

I play them as Red Grief with S5, T5 and one Lance and talon

That's interesting.

If I were already running a unit of five, I'd be soooo tempted to try and find the points for one more to get the second Heat Lance.

As it is, I can only accomodate six into my 1300 point list, and I'm unsure whether to go for one unit or two small ones.

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