Subject: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Mar 29 2021, 22:52
Assuming you intend to make the best use of their firepower (or even their melee prowess, given the new rules), which do you think are the optimum Kabals, Cults and/or Covens to take Raiders and Venoms from?
Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Mar 29 2021, 23:18
Raiders: Black Heart, in my opinion. Re-rolling that Dark Lance shot? 33% firepower increase right there. Easy money. Probable silver medal goes to Dark Creed, if you wanna put in the points to get both Grisly Trophies and a Phantasm Grenade Launcher on it. Against an LD8 target, that averages about one Mortal Wound per turn - actually a slightly larger increase in total expected damage output than going Black Heart! Though it does, of course, require you to be far closer to the enemy. It is worth noting that this option also synergizes with infantry PGLs, with Incubi, and with the "Ooga Booga" Haemonculus with the Dark Creed WL Trait.
Venom: Probably coming as no surprise, Merciless Razorkin+Torturous Efficiency is the go-to option for double splinter cannon Venoms, though of course Poisoned tongue does give you that -1 to Attrition tests for the few times you face an army that isn't flat immune to it. For melee venoms, technically Coven of Twelve - I mean it is kinda novel to have six S6 AP-2 attacks on your troop transport, but I sincerely doubt it's actually good enough to pick an Obsession over.
I'm running them as BH for now. Reroll 3s to hit is more powerful than rerolling 4s to wound as Obsidian Rose (vs T8 tanks)
It's actually the other way round:
Standard Raider Lance vs T8 Tank: To hit 2/3 * to wound 1/2 = 0.33 wounds to be saved BH Raider Lance vs T8 Tank: To hit 8/9 * to wound 1/2 = 0.44 wounds to be saved OR Raider Lance vs T8 Tank: To hit 2/3* to wound 3/4 = 0.50 wounds to be saved
Obsidian Rose is the superior Obsession in terms of raw fire power in this scenario
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Tue Mar 30 2021, 17:24
@Pippolele, you are absolutely correct. My napkin math needs some work. Guess I should lay off the Hypex while trying to Math XD
TY for correcting me.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Tue Mar 30 2021, 18:04
Cult of Strife vehicles get fight first and +1 to charge. Not too bad.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Wed Mar 31 2021, 06:21
I still think Dark Technomancer Raiders with dissies are worth taking. The risk of mortal wounds is present, but it's also a very efficient solution to heavy infantry and anything with -1 damage rules. It breaks down to about 2 self-inflicted mortal wounds every other turn.
That's an acceptable risk on something that is likely throwing itself into danger range on turn 2. It will probably die anyway and it's unlikely that the possible mortal wounds will make the difference.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Apr 05 2021, 03:19
For me it's Black Heart, but really for the +1 on the PfP Table. I might be fixating on something that won't be that impressive, but the T1 advance and charge on raiders, venoms, mandrakes, scourges, and incubi (less so scourges and incubi, admittedly) - coupled with the speed cults and 18" reavers and a large squad of up to 18" hellions (hypex with x2 strat), you should be able to create a really obnoxious blockade across the board to pin the opponent while your damage dealers move into position.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Apr 05 2021, 16:24
Remember that your Blades for Hire only get +1PfP in a Black Heart REALSPACE RAID detachment (aka a Battalion/Brigade). If your running Patrols (Raiding Force) they are just like everyone else.
Rerolling hits on your single lance Raiders with BH is very nice. I dont see myself changing that up anytime soon.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Apr 05 2021, 17:50
Lawrence from Tabletop Tactics seems to be all about Obsidian Rose for this transports.
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Subject: Re: Best Kabals, Cults & Covens for Transports Mon Apr 05 2021, 19:58