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@dumpeal how could you see through my spy veil???? damn i'm screw....

But i gotta admit that all of you are surely dangerously on the brink of despair if the message i wrote is so full of optimism for you......saying that the company is toying with his fan base is a message of hope?....truly?....well ok.....never seen it that way, sorry Shocked
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@Kalmah wrote:
@dumpeal how could you see through my spy veil???? damn i'm screw....

But i gotta admit that all of you are surely dangerously on the brink of despair if the message i wrote is so full of optimism for you......saying that the company is toying with his fan base is a message of hope?....truly?....well ok.....never seen it that way, sorry Shocked

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@Kalmah wrote:
@dumpeal how could you see through my spy veil???? damn i'm screw....

But i gotta admit that all of you are surely dangerously on the brink of despair if the message i wrote is so full of optimism for you......saying that the company is toying with his fan base is a message of hope?....truly?....well ok.....never seen it that way, sorry Shocked

The other option is that they are not toying with us and they really think giving an additional attack to Kabalites is such a game-changer. So yes that is actually a message of hope as it would show more understanding of the faction, than the alternative.
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 18:17

@Kalmah wrote:
@dumpeal how could you see through my spy veil???? damn i'm screw....

But i gotta admit that all of you are surely dangerously on the brink of despair if the message i wrote is so full of optimism for you......saying that the company is toying with his fan base is a message of hope?....truly?....well ok.....never seen it that way, sorry Shocked

Toying would mean what they knows what they previewed was bad. If not, it's bare incompetence, and it's a very bad sign for the codex.

But I was talking about your general positivism. (don't change, by the way)

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 18:32

Something I just realized. If Fester Discipline is a new psychic discipline for Deathguard, our supplement is from the page counts as big as one psychic discipline. Even though I think 4 pages are a little excessive for what normally would be 6 powers.
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 18:41

Haha nah it’ll be one page of Strife on 84 and three pages of art to round off the Army Rules section before the Crusade rules on 88
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 18:53

You're all far too bleak, I bet we'll get an amazing bonus to Cult of Strife that allows one unit to overwatch per turn (for free!)

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 18:59

@Sarcron wrote:
You're all far too bleak, I bet we'll get an amazing bonus to Cult of Strife that allows one unit to overwatch per turn (for free!)

Are you INSANE?
That is way to strong

I hope for something competetive yet fun like paying 3CP to fight again
-If you killed a unit

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 19:44

I wonder, what's the worst and best case for the supplement book?

Best case: Heavy Wych Cult lists are somewhat viable in the main book. But the supplement allows for completely different builds and has unique custom rules for combat drugs, power from pain and stratagems. Similar to the Haemonculus Coven supplements in 7th.

It makes all Wych Cult units viable in their own way. This includes unique bonuses to Beasts, Hellions and Jetfighters. Perhaps even something special for Mercenaries which work in the employ of CoS.

Worst Case: The supplement has some situational stratagems and focuses mostly on Crusade Rules. However, you are forced to only field <WYCH CULT> units. Overall, our cult units got some minor buff in the codex but all structural issues remain. Nothing changes and we continue using Coven + some Kabal.


Honestly, I love the idea of a viable army that is mostly wych cults. All it would need are the right changes to beasts and aircraft. I doubt that this will happen, but I'd like to think that there is a chance.
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 20:00

Im excited to give my money to GW for this new codex.

Everything I am seeing is increasing damage output, without touching our toughness/survivability. So many cool things could be in this codex. Playstyle will obviously need to change, which will annoy people. But thats life.

Count me in the "glass half full" team, along with @Kalmah

Still really want to see what happens to Coven though...

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 20:14

** drawing a line in the sand **
Who believes the sun will rises tomorrow, come this side

Who believes the sun will never rises again, come this side

at the count of 3.....CHAAAAAARGE!!!! (this should be a good melee i think.....)
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 20:16

@fisheyes there's so many thing i want to see what happens!
But i agree that the covens (wracks) should have a hint at their new datasheet....maybe next week?? fingers crossed
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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 20:23

@fisheyes and Kalmah, It looks like the glass half full line starts at the Canadian border. LOL

So far everything i have seen has been positive. (I agree with many though, that only minorly positive).

That said, our strength in my mind has usually been in our special rules and Eldar trikery anyway. So I'm waiting to see what comes through there. I'm cautiously optimisitic that we will get to the point that I am confident that we have the potential to compete with Marine armies. I don't think we'll be better than them. I just want to be able to compete.

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 20:30

@The Strange Dark One wrote:
I wonder, what's the worst and best case for the supplement book?

Best case: Heavy Wych Cult lists are somewhat viable in the main book. But the supplement allows for completely different builds and has unique custom rules for combat drugs, power from pain and stratagems. Similar to the Haemonculus Coven supplements in 7th.

It makes all Wych Cult units viable in their own way. This includes unique bonuses to Beasts, Hellions and Jetfighters. Perhaps even something special for Mercenaries which work in the employ of CoS.

Worst Case: The supplement has some situational stratagems and focuses mostly on Crusade Rules. However, you are forced to only field <WYCH CULT> units. Overall, our cult units got some minor buff in the codex but all structural issues remain. Nothing changes and we continue using Coven + some Kabal.


Honestly, I love the idea of a viable army that is mostly wych cults. All it would need are the right changes to beasts and aircraft. I doubt that this will happen, but I'd like to think that there is a chance.

Actually, the worst case would be Cult of Strife is not in the codex, instead just placed in the campaign book.
Your best case sounds like the best case I also could think of, though for me even more unlikely than the worst case. Why should they do all this for only one wych cult? And it sounds like it would be hard to fit all on 4 pages.

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@ silverglade exactly my thought! i don't want to surpass every other armies, i just want to compete with them, lose or win, and feel that i actually had some fun.

I understand the requests from others, because i share them: i want additional room for my transports, i want an updated poison ruling etc....but if in the end i don't receive them....i'll just figure out something else to make my plan works (my plan being to have fun)
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@Kalmah wrote:
** drawing a line in the sand **
Who believes the sun will rises tomorrow, come this side

Who believes the sun will never rises again, come this side

It will rise again, we have lived through this 3 times already, but when it rises it's the annoying, screaming sun from rick and morty

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PostSubject: Re: Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex   Sneak Peek at New Drukhari Codex - Page 5 I_icon_minitimeFri Mar 12 2021, 21:13

And by the grace of Zteench, the man turned himself into a pickle, the imperium scream heresy and mutation, whipping out flamers to burn the mutant, chaos cheers as another joins their ranks firing bolters into the air, and we, the true kin sit back and enjoy some flame broiled pickle while we read a book that hints at what could have been really interesting but turns out to be pretty bland as it's something we've seen before ... just handed to us in a new wrapper

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@Koldan wrote:
@The Strange Dark One wrote:
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Actually, the worst case would be Cult of Strife is not in the codex, instead just placed in the campaign book.
Your best case sounds like the best case I also could think of, though for me even more unlikely than the worst case. Why should they do all this for only one wych cult? And it sounds like it would be hard to fit all on 4 pages.

Would it be such a loss though? They can just take all the rules of Strife and give it a new name (like Seventh Woe).

As for the content, they could go the same route as Exodites in PA. You have a stratagem which let's you choose from a list of new abilities for some of your units. One thing could be that Beastmasters give their beasts Advance + Charge.
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I have been out of commenting here lately, partially due to the general pessimistic tone i have seen around (except of Kalmah, damn i like your view XD) so i dont get my own enthusiasm for starting a new army crushed so soon by some peole around here. So yeah, i just came to say that im on the "sun will rise" part of the line and wont make any harsh comment untill i have the codex on my own hands and can give it a nice and long read. Until then, its just all speculation and personal feelings, and that says a lot of each each one of you.

I will go back to painting my army, if you excuse me. I will upload them (hopefully) sometime soon!

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So...does anyone have any predictions as to why, from a lore perspective, Lelith is going to be here on this planet? Maybe something I missed? The Piety and Pain article says she's making a city sized arena to fight... Sisters of Battle? Why? I could see some random never before named Succubi doing that, sure. But Lelith herself? Doesn't she have better things to do? What happened to running around with the Ynnari? Or hunting down the Chaos Marine Lucian to try and fight him without his cursed armor?
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@Ubernoob1 wrote:
So...does anyone have any predictions as to why, from a lore perspective, Lelith is going to be here on this planet? Maybe something I missed? The Piety and Pain article says she's making a city sized arena to fight... Sisters of Battle? Why? I could see some random never before named Succubi doing that, sure. But Lelith herself? Doesn't she have better things to do? What happened to running around with the Ynnari? Or hunting down the Chaos Marine Lucian to try and fight him without his cursed armor?

Anything is better than spending time with Ynnari. If I spent time with Ynnari I’d probably become a space nun just to find some excitement.

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i dont remember where i saw it but isnt it implied that Vect sent her with the Ynnari so she can work as his agent..?
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@DevilDoll wrote:
i dont remember where i saw it but isnt it implied that Vect sent her with the Ynnari so she can work as his agent..?

I'm pretty sure her reason literally was just to fight Slaanesh, no joke I'm pretty sure the lore is;

Lelith: "Vect never lets me do anything. Yvarine, I'll join if I can fight Slaanesh without restraints and fight Lucius."
Yvarine: "Sure, fight all you want"
Lelith: "I'll joining for the glory of battle and I want to kill Lucius"

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@amishprn86 wrote:
@DevilDoll wrote:
i dont remember where i saw it but isnt it implied that Vect sent her with the Ynnari so she can work as his agent..?

I'm pretty sure her reason literally was just to fight Slaanesh, no joke I'm pretty sure the lore is;

Lelith: "Vect never lets me do anything. Yvarine, I'll join if I can fight Slaanesh without restraints and fight Lucius."
Yvarine: "Sure, fight all you want"
Lelith: "I'll joining for the glory of battle and I want to kill Lucius"

Wow this is...😳
I mean o dont expect Tolkien levels of storytelling but just...wow
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You have to remember Leliths personality up until this point is shes so good at fighting, that duels are boring. She only ventures out if it means facing foes that might, MIGHT, me a challenge for her. Her turning an entire city into a deathtrap just to draw out the strongest sisters is literally her definition of minimum effort.
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