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PostSubject: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeTue Feb 09 2021, 08:12




Triple P: Painkiller’s Panoply of Provocation (JT McDowell)

Drukhari Patrol Detachment ( 2CP - 830PT )

SUB-FACTION: Kabal of the Black Heart

HQ

WARLORD: Archon (70): Labyrinthine Cunning, Writ of the Living Muse


TROOPS

Kabalite Warriors (40): 1x Sybarite, 4x Kabalite Warrior


ELITES

Lhamaean (16)

Medusae (22)
Medusae (22)

Mandrakes (75): 1x Nightfiend, 4x Mandrake
Mandrakes (75): 1x Nightfiend, 4x Mandrake


FAST ATTACK

Scourges (100): 1x Solarite, 4x Scourge: Blaster
Scourges (100): 1x Solarite, 4x Scourge: Blaster


HEAVY SUPPORT

Ravager (155) 3x Disintegrator cannon
Ravager (155) 3x Disintegrator cannon



Drukhari Patrol Detachment ( 2CP - 820PT )

SUB-FACTION: Dark Technomancers, Master of Mutagens

STRATAGEM: Alliance of Agony

HQ

Haemonculus (90) Electrocorrosive whip, Hexrifle, Regenerist, The Nightmare Doll

STRATAGEMS: Prizes from the Dark City


TROOPS

Wracks (45): 1x Acothyst: Hexrifle, 4x Wrack
Wracks (45): 1x Acothyst: Hexrifle, 4x Wrack
Wracks (45): 1x Acothyst: Hexrifle, 4x Wrack


HEAVY SUPPORT

Reaper (170)
Reaper (170)


DEDICATED TRANSPORT

Venom (85) Splinter cannon
Venom (85) Splinter cannon
Venom (85) Splinter cannon


Drukhari Patrol Detachment ( 2CP - 350PT )

SUB-FACTION: Dark Technomancers, Master of Mutagens

HQ

Haemonculus (90) Electrocorrosive whip, Hexrifle


TROOPS

Wracks (45): 1x Acothyst: Hexrifle, 4x Wrack
Wracks (45): 1x Acothyst: Hexrifle, 4x Wrack


DEDICATED TRANSPORT

Venom (85) Splinter cannon
Venom (85) Splinter cannon


Total Command Points: 10

Total Points: 2000/2000



This looks like a really solid list, and when I found out that it made it to the top table (though losing in the final), I'm not surprised. Very potent shooting phase. That said, I think the lost can be improved.

Wracks with hexrifles are okay, but I've frankly never been impressed. This has a lot of them. Secondly, 2 patrols of DT+MM is kind of redundant, when everything that's significant about it can be fit in one.

I would take the Nightmare Doll haemonculus and all but 5 wracks and blob them into 20 PoF wracks with a Diabolical Soothsayer/Vexator mask haemonculus. 4 ossefactors and an Electro-corrosive whip on the acothyst makes the entire detachment 265 points and with tons of synergy.

I would also trade one squad of mandrakes for scourges with shredders for 80 points. I love mandrakes more than is probably healthy, but shredder scourges are really good. This is a shooting list, and they shoot harder. It's personal taste though.

It's just nice to see Drukhari do well in a competitive environment.

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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeWed Feb 10 2021, 20:04

TBF, the list designer did say he intentionally limited the power of the list by staying away from Reavers and not using 20 man PoF Wrack units. Including either would have drastically increased the power of the army.

Really surprised to see this beat out the various Marines/Custodes/etc that are supposed to be "S Tier".
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 11 2021, 00:43

The 2 patrols seems a bit odd. I'm pretty sure that he could have fit all of that into one battalion and gotten an extra CP as a result.

I outfitted a bunch of wracks with hexrifles right after PA came out due to the existence of DT. It gives objective-sitters something to do that has a reasonable chance of really ruining a character's day.
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 11 2021, 08:01

@krayd wrote:
The 2 patrols seems a bit odd. I'm pretty sure that he could have fit all of that into one battalion and gotten an extra CP as a result.

I outfitted a bunch of wracks with hexrifles right after PA came out due to the existence of DT. It gives objective-sitters something to do that has a reasonable chance of really ruining a character's day.

He is spending 0 CPs with 3 Patrols and he needs BH for Vect. A DT Battallion+BH Patrol would have been -2 CP
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 11 2021, 14:38

@fisheyes wrote:
TBF, the list designer did say he intentionally limited the power of the list by staying away from Reavers and not using 20 man PoF Wrack units. Including either would have drastically increased the power of the army.

Really surprised to see this beat out the various Marines/Custodes/etc that are supposed to be "S Tier".

Oh I hadn't seen that comment, that makes more sense. I totally understand avoiding 10 point reavers.

Even if he did want to avoid squads of 20 PoF wracks, his list would have been better with 2 squads of 10. Having 25 DT wracks is the same as having 25 wracks with no obsession. They only get the MM 6s to hit in combat, which is just okay. 4 powered up hexrifles is a bad trade for 4++, Vexator Mask, and Diabolical Soothsayer.
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeThu Feb 11 2021, 14:46

@Cerve wrote:
@krayd wrote:
The 2 patrols seems a bit odd. I'm pretty sure that he could have fit all of that into one battalion and gotten an extra CP as a result.

I outfitted a bunch of wracks with hexrifles right after PA came out due to the existence of DT. It gives objective-sitters something to do that has a reasonable chance of really ruining a character's day.

He is spending 0 CPs with 3 Patrols and he needs BH for Vect. A DT Battallion+BH Patrol would have been -2 CP

Ah. I completely forgot about the Raiding Party rule, since I never used it during 8th edition.
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeFri Feb 12 2021, 12:57

This event, remember while it was with many top players having watched 3 of the games it is clear they do not know the rules for some of these armies. DE won a game they IMO should not have won if played by a player that knew the armies.

The event was done via "shared lists" someone else would make the list and other players would play them.

Also if you look at the first games, they matched up the better armies to each other and the weaker ones first. If this was random then sure that is fine, though it didn't seem to be random.

Example BA vs Quins, and Sisters vs Custodes, or DA vs Salamaders

They each went against another top army and even counter plays to each other. If any of these 3 started with any other army this tournament would have been 100% different. it just feels way to not random of match ups to think they RNG it.

I wouldn't take this event seriously. Remember this was a fun event, not one to analyze.

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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeFri Feb 12 2021, 13:53

I mean, I only take a 16 person, single elimination event somewhat seriously. I just figured I'd share the list because it certainly looks like a potent one. It has all the right competitive elements, short of some PoF stuff.
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PostSubject: Re: Las Vegas Nopen Finalist   Las Vegas Nopen Finalist I_icon_minitimeFri Feb 12 2021, 14:11

It was more of a general PSA than directed to you. I've seen many players talk like DE is a hidden gem, but they don't understand this event.

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