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PostSubject: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 09 2011, 03:36

I've found myself to be a little uninspired by my current DE Tourney list, and I've decided to give a wyche cult a try. I've tested it out a few times and I like the way it plays. Looking for suggestions from people who have played with heavy wyche armies.

Duke Sliscus - 150
Succubus w/Agonizer - 85
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF, GT - 213
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF, GT - 213
5 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 160
5 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 160
5 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 160
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115

Total = 1999 (unless I'm off somewhere)

Thinking about throwing some blast pistols in by swapping out agonizers for VBs or dropping the arena champs.

Also have a 2250 RTT coming up in a week or so and I'm thinking of bringing this:

Duke Sliscus - 150
Succubus w/Agonizer, Blast pistol, Haywires - 105
5 Bloodbrides, Syren w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 165
5 Bloodbrides, Syren w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 165
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Blast Pistol, Raider w/FF, GT - 228
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Blast Pistol, Raider w/FF, GT - 228
5 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Blast Pistol, Venom w/SC, GT - 175
5 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Blast Pistol, Venom w/SC, GT - 175
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115

Total: 2249

It's low on troops for a serious tournament list but it should be fun for a 3 round RTT and I'm interested to see what I can do with it.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 09 2011, 10:50

Quick thoughts:

- The 5 wyches + nades + w/ heka + ago + venom + SC + GT... I guess you're gonna play mid-back field. I see the wyches with nades...but the heka with ago IMO will be an expensive item which you will probably not use that much.

I'd take away the heka, ago and the GT.

Remember that they don't have any paintoken... which means that when (not if) the venom blows up, you're gonna loose a couple wyches, and you won't be able to use the Venom GT... and you're probably gonna spread out your Venoms more than 15 cm between them...

Thats some 35 points per squad you can save (105 points)

- Are you really planning in getting your reavers into CC? Even if its 15 points, its about the sabe as above... 45 more points saved.

- Since you're out of FA and HS slots, I'd either go for some Incubi or many a couple trueborn footslogin DL, go put some more AT in the list.

Hope it helps...

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 09 2011, 16:16

Nice list on both counts. I play Wych heavy armies and these both look pretty good. I would recommend being as aggressive as possible to get the most out of your lists. 9 DL's and 6 HL's should be more than enough to silence enemy tanks and transports (lets just hope you get the first turn), and all those Wyches should be able to handle near enough anything else.

Partner a 9 and a 5 man squad keeping them within 12" of each other and use them to either charge different units, tying up or wiping out multiple units a turn (less to shoot at you in his turn) or double charge anything that is a bigger threat ie Assault marines/Termies or MC's. That tactic worked a treat for me last battle.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 09 2011, 20:06

Looking at it my first thought is 'not enough anti-tank, he should add more Raiders.'

Basically my thought process hits a couple of points;

1. Functionally you have, at best, the ability to shoot up 6 vehicles in your first shooting phase - and let's be honest, the heat lances will probably not be much of a factor on Turn 1 unless you're going second and your opponent is rushing forward. So, against gunline they're useless till turn 2.

2. With 5-6 Wych squads, why are we paying so much to make the RJBs very slightly more dangerous in assault? We lack anti-tank, so they'll be shooting mech most of the time anyway.

3. Venoms and Wyches have the same optimal targets.

My advice would be to sack the arena champs and use the saved points to upgrade some Venoms to Raiders, and maybe sneak in a few more Wyches in the bargain. I'll also admit that I'd drop the GTs across the board as I find them to be a mediocre investment - but will accept that can be a personal playstyle preference.

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 13 2011, 03:31

Thanks for the input guys. I'm focusing on the 2250 list because that RTT is coming up soon. Personally I like having the arena champs for the Ld, and the VB is so cheap and makes the unit way better at supporting assaults, that's not their primary role but for 5 pts I like having the option. Anyway switched some things around to get some more ranged AT. One thing I definitely don't like about this is that the Duke will have to start with a warrior squad (I really wish that rule had the words "You may" at the beginning of it). I'm also feeling a little light on ranged AI for dealing with Devs/Fangs.

Duke Sliscus - 150
Succubus w/Agonizer, Blast pistol, Haywires - 105
5 Trueborn, 2 Splinter Cannons, 3 Splinter Carbines, Venom w/SC, GT - 165
5 Bloodbrides, Syren w/Agonizer, Venom w/SC, GT - 165
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF - 208
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF - 208
5 warriors, Blaster, Raider, FF - 130
5 warriors, Blaster, Raider, FF - 130
5 warriors, Blaster, Raider, FF - 130
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115

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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeTue Dec 13 2011, 04:01

Hmmm was thinking about the Duke and for exactly the same price as the bloodbrides I could take 5 trueborn with 2 cannons and 3 carbines and at least put his poison to good use.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeWed Dec 14 2011, 11:19

Actually, for the Duke it means that if there is a Warrior squad, he must be with them. So if you have no Warriors or Trueborn of them, you can just put him with something else.
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PostSubject: Re: 2000 pt Wyche Cult   2000 pt Wyche Cult I_icon_minitimeFri Dec 16 2011, 17:29

2250 Tournament is tomorrow and I think this is what I'm settling into unless anyone has any last minute ideas.

Duke Sliscus - 150
Succubus w/Agonizer, Blast pistol - 100
5 Trueborn, 2 Splinter Cannons, Raider w/FF, GT - 155
5 Bloodbrides, Syren w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF, GT - 170
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF, GT - 213
9 wyches w/Haywires, Hekatrix w/Agonizer, Raider w/FF, GT - 213
5 warriors, Blaster, Venom w/SC, GT - 130
5 warriors, Blaster, Venom w/SC, GT 130
5 warriors, Blaster, Venom w/SC, GT 130
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
6 Reavers w/2 Heat Lances, Arena Champ w/Venom Blade - 171
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
Ravager w/3 DLs, FF - 115
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