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PostSubject: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeWed Sep 16 2020, 23:05

From what's said expect a big change with Archon and Haemoculous buffs
Wonder if Drukhari will get any new characters?

They are talking from a fluff perspective with changes ie Cpt doesn't stand there to buff tanks he buffs warriors fighting near him
I love this change

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 00:07

Awsome.

I look forward to our HQs adding 'themselves' to the list of units they can't buff. Rolling Eyes

So following this change, an Archon will be able to buff all of 1 unit. Outstanding.

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 00:54

Expect Drukhari to have changed by then its not that bad
Marines were too powerful with there buffs
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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 06:55

Yeah, this is a good change for the game overall. It's going to hurt us directly, especially if Ravagers and Talos aren't core, but we'll at least also benefit strongly from opponents not being able to have gunlines with full rerolls.

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 07:23

I think Talos will stay buffed but not vehicles. Makes fluff sense to do so

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 09:41

Fluff wise, I can see that argument. I never liked the idea of an archon sitting next to vehicles anyway.

I'd much rather they increased transport capacity like harlis so archons can be in the vehicles directing the battle on the move.
Of course they would also have to change how they work too.

I think something like a necron "my will be done" but not limited to picking one unit. That way it could suit our death by a thousand cuts MSU style.

Could call it something like "Sadistic command"
pick one of 3 choices each command phase:
1) "Aim for their hearts" = +1 to wound on poison vs non-vehicles
2) "Load corrosive toxins" = +1 AP on poison
3) "Remove it from my sight" = +1 dmg to non-poison weapons

You could obviously play around with the effects and even give characters extra ones for flavour.
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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 12:22

It does seem like they are going towards giving all armies "Doctrines" like Marines. Those Necron Protocols look very similar (with a LOT more book keeping).

I think you have it about right @GreyArea
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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 16:41

For the record, I do like this idea in concept.

I'm just exceptionally wary as it necessitates GW finally putting some thought and effort into an army they've spent the past decade dicking over at every opportunity.

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 17:47

Honestly, I would be perfectly happy returning to the Index days before we had Stratagems, Chapter Tactics and Doctrines/etc. It was way easier to know what the enemy had, and how to counter it.

Thats my opinion though, Im sure to be in the minority.
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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 17:53

@fisheyes wrote:
Honestly, I would be perfectly happy returning to the Index days before we had Stratagems, Chapter Tactics and Doctrines/etc. It was way easier to know what the enemy had, and how to counter it.

Thats my opinion though, Im sure to be in the minority.


i can't arguem as i am a brand new player to this game!
But, from a perspective, i gotta admit that for a new player, the stratagems are really slowing the game (as i don't know them all perfectly, its always like: is there a stratagem for this situation....no....ok next....now this situation?.....yes....ok etc....).
As for the game balance, i'm pretty sure the game would be easier to balance if we were to remove all those bonus and extras.....but those extra is something that drive people to play this kind of game as it adds some layer and some complexity.
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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeThu Sep 17 2020, 22:23

@fisheyes wrote:
Honestly, I would be perfectly happy returning to the Index days before we had Stratagems, Chapter Tactics and Doctrines/etc. It was way easier to know what the enemy had, and how to counter it.

Thats my opinion though, Im sure to be in the minority.

Well, you can add my vote to that as far as Stratagems and Doctrines go. I find the latter to be unnecessary (since the game no longer rewards you for souping), and I find Statagems to be anything but strategic.

I don't mind Chapter Tactics quite as much, but I do wish they'd been done in a different way.

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PostSubject: Re: New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed   New rules for core units and buffs from characters 9th ed I_icon_minitimeFri Sep 18 2020, 01:49

If we get something I hope its more like Rites or Tides. But i honestly just want the old Reaver Drug Archon back if he isn't going to have an aura, as an auramancer he better work in vehicles.

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@amishprn86 wrote:
If we get something I hope its more like Rites or Tides. But i honestly just want the old Reaver Drug Archon back if he isn't going to have an aura, as an auramancer he better work in vehicles.

We all want the Reaver Drug Archon back. Because "Reaver" + "Archon" + "Drugs" = AWESOME.

A good buff character with mobility like most armies have is something that Drukhari really need

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@Soulless Samurai wrote:


I'm just exceptionally wary as it necessitates GW finally putting some thought and effort into an army they've spent the past decade dicking over at every opportunity.

This would be funny if it was not tragically true.

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